I’ve made a decision. I’ve done my best to stay away from Bachelor spoilers. I know Reality Steve and the Fans of Reality TV websites have put information out on the world wide web and I have refrained from checking their sites.
Then I started receiving emails and FB messages from tons of people asking my opinion on what was happening. Although I appreciate these emailers NOT giving specific details in their messages, I started feeling pressure to check out what was going on. I felt an obligation to IHGB readers.
Then I stopped myself (I’m learning about boundaries in counseling) and thought, “NO! If I want to be surprised, I should be surprised!”
Therefore, I’m going against all my approval addiction and people pleasing tendencies to say that I will do my best to NOT find out what drama unfolds until the night the episode airs.
But that doesn’t mean that those of you who like to figure out what’s going on shouldn’t have fun!
Use the comment section of THIS POST ONLY to dish the dirt. I give you full permission to spoil away. Just know that I (and anyone else who doesn’t want to know) will not be reading the comments.
Remember…do not read the comments if you don’t want to know conspiracy theories.
Enjoy!
Don’t read comments if you don’t want to know spoilers! You guys have fun!
Good for you, Lincee!
good idea lincee! Let’s keep all the spoiler sleaze on this post….
If Reality Steve is right, I’ll be done with the Bachelor. If They’ve fabricated this sceme from day one, that is heartless cruel and not why anyone watches the show. I think they’ll end up shooting themselves in the foot and not getting the high rating they want next season, because of the mistakes this season.
Can someone post what exactly the scoop is… I’ve read some at the FORT and am gathering they say that he picked Melissa in New Zealand, and then changes his mind some time later, and the After the Final Rose Ceremony is him dumping Mel and proposing (?) to Molly…??? Is that about it? It that is true, I can’t believe ABC would go for it… just let him do that on his own time… people are going to be pretty P-VED!!!
Lincee- you may not see this, but you are a rock star! A class act that deserves an award for not bowing to peer pressure! Thanks for your updates, they are the best!
DC – I read it this morning and wish I hadn’t, but you’re right on except that supposedly Jason intended to pick Molly the whole time and ABC asked him to do it this way to drum up ratings. It’s a very involved story on Reality Steve’s site.
#4 Lauren – I am with you on that…while we may not believe that it really is a “love” story…we at least like the couple of months pretending that people can go on this show season after season and find “true love” (then break up 3 months later). I think it will hurt them more than it will help in the end…if this is a ploy to get the show renewed for next season (I read somewhere that hadn’t happened yet) then it is sad they went to such great lengths just for that.
If somehow reality steve is wrong (which I think in my heart of hearts I hope he is)…then we are all fools for falling into his trap.
I never really liked Jason last season…but I have way less respect for him now after all of this. How horrible to do something like that to someone you “love” on national tv. Poor Mel. She deserves better than that anyway!! I feel like they should be on the jerry springer show or something.
If I didn’t love my other ABC shows so much…I would consider boycotting the network all together.
The “big” news in short version is Jason wants to pick Molly (and I guess knew he wanted to pick Molly for most of the show) but ABC told him he had to pick another girl and then could pick Molly after the final rose. Reality Steve says that Jason went along with it for ratings and that he kept seeing Molly while he was suppose to be in a relationship with Melissa. However ABC is expected to make it look like Jason just changed his mind and not that he wanted Molly from the start.
Oh my, if what I just read was true I am so over ever watching this show again. So, I guess we will find out in a few weeks. This just makes me ill and makes me think a lot less of OHCH as well! (If it’s all true)!
I caved and read the spoiler and now I am whole-heartedly disappointed, not in ABC or The Bachelor so much, but in myself for possibly stealing the fun of speculation…from myself!
That being said, I will still believe it when I see it. I don’t know who RS is or if he is in anyway credible. I am going to try to treat this as just another crazy spoiler and enjoy the rest of the season as if I never read it.
First off, Lincee thanks for giving us this outlet!
If Steve is right then Jason is the biggest jerk of them all. And DD turns out to be not so bad compared to him. Simply disgusting, and what an example for his son?!
The thing that upsets me the most is Jason dumping Melissa on national TV, even if it is a closed set. Should not be done in front of cameras. Ugh, no class at all.
I am really dissapointed in Jason. And why would Molly want to be with a guy who did that?
Wow, I had no idea anything weird was going on until I read Lincee’s post – I am out of the loop! But after reading RS’s blog, WOW is about all I can say. I assume a certain degree of drama and craziness and fakeness will ensue during each season, but if this is true, they’ve crossed the line in cruelty.
That would be the BEST spoiler! If Molly then dumps Jason for being such a heartless sleaze.
I honestly don’t believe ABC was in on it…I think it was ALL Jason and I think when DD comes back to tell him not to pick the wrong one he still does but then apparently has agonized over his decision and realized he was in love with Molly (or he just got REALLY annoyed with Melissa and kept thinking back to the night in the tent with Molly)…After only 6 weeks of “dating” in that kind of a scene people aren’t really going to know what they’re like as a couple so this time around they had some time in between filming and when the show aired and he must have realized she wasn’t the one. I think that if ABC had known they would have hyped it up from the beginning but they only started the whole “its shocking” theme in the last couple of weeks..initially they were just trying to hype up DD coming back and that’s it. I think Reality Steve said in his You Tube videos that the second after the final rose show was JUST taped like maybe a week or a few days ago and coicidentally Chris Harrison’s preview the other night says they’ll be 2 AFTR ceremonies and one of them is really sensitive blah blah blah so I really don’t think ABC was in on it…I mean they would have capitalized on this from the ver beginning. Don’t get me wrong though b/c I think they are loving it…well Fleiss is but I’m sure Chris Harrison isn’t. Anyway that is just my two cents.
I defintely agree with Karen #10 – Chris Harrison has VERY much disappointed me if it’s all true! I’ve been reading his blog as well, and I’ve been very charmed by his humor and some behind-the-scenes tidbits. Shame, OHCH, shame on you.
PS I think Jason is a dirtbag. At least he could have waited till a few months from now to break up with Melissa then a few more months to start dating Molly…but he hasn’t exhibited any signs of being a gentleman thus far so why am I so surprised? I’m not. Poor Ty…he gets to be the son of a dirt bag right about the time he starts kindergarten…nice Jason real nice.
#11 Alison… I completely agree! I’m both disappointed with myself for searching to find out what this big spoiler was and really hoping it’s just another crazy rumor.
If it is true and he really does end up with Molly… I really wish the editing was a little more in her favor. After watching the whole season, I just don’t see it. And that’s how I felt with Deanna and Jesse too. I liked Jesse, but he seemed to come out of nowhere at the end- I was expecting him to be eliminated every week because the show was edited to make it look like they didn’t have real chemistry. Obviously, that wasn’t the case! (Granted, this is a moot point since they’ve broken up, but still!)
I tune in to watch a love story unfold. I want to be rooting for the couple that ends up together at the end of the show. I’m sure Molly is a lovely girl, I just wish the show made her and Jason seem like more of a romance.
I think ABC edited it the way it played out b/c they didn’t know that he’d change his mind and dump Mel and pick Molly…because otherwise i think they would have portrayed her in a more positive light. Dirtbag.
Ok, Jason picks Melissa at the finale and they get engaged. A month later he starts questioning picking Melissa and is thinking about Molly. Maybe he even sees Molly again while Melissa is in Dallas. And he breaks up with Melissa to date Molly.
That I can believe. Frankly, that doesn’t even surprise me.
But that it’s PLANNED from the beginning? Come on. Does anyone believe that?
And what does ‘from the beginning’ mean anyway? At some point in the middle of the show’s filming Jason goes to OHCH and tells him he is going to pick Molly? And then the producers tell Jason ‘You want Melissa? You’re gonna have to pick Melissa”? That’s what Reality Steve is suggesting?
I listened to Reality Steve’s VERY LONG webcasts and he dosen’t seem to have mucgh evidence that it was a plot all along. His main evidence seems to be the news of Jason dumping Melissa for Molly on ATFR 1. He speculates a lot – I wonder if we (the general public) will ever know the real story. I hope after it is all over that some of the girls from the season give their insights.
Is he definately going to switch to Molly or might it be Jillian he wants back?
RS says it is definitely Molly. Go to realitysteve dot com and you can read his explanation or listen to his videos. I recommend the reading
he needs a botox fix and pines away for stephanie. hey i am new here. what/who is OHCH (i know it’s probably obvious)?
I agree with you, #20 TX Guy, and here’s what doesn’t jive for me: if Jason wanted Molly from Day 1 (or Day 10, 20 …whatever), I can’t see ABC ‘forcing’ him to pick someone else – they’ll just edit the cr*p out of the shows to through us off the scent (they do that anyway).
Our Host Chris Harrison (OHCH)
I would recommend not going to the videos because he just goes on way too long…I really didn’t need to stay up until 11:30pm last night to watch it…
oops, where’s the edit button? …THROW us off the scent.
#20 TX Guy, I am with you. I think that it is pretty presumptuous to think that this was a big scam from the beginning. Even if it was, ABC would have been pimping this as the most shocking and dramatic finale from go, but the only card they seem to have had up their sleeve all season is the Deanna return.
Since ABC keeps tabs on everyone till the end of the airing of episodes, they had to be in on fostering the romance between Molly and Jason AND stringing along Melissa till the end.
It stings because many of us thought Jason was sincere and had integrity. Why did we think this? Because of the ABC edit! I am really annoyed at OHCH too, what kind of guy is he really?
I guess that I will just have to return to reading novels for romance, integrity and general mush.
I did 5 years without tv, guess I will just give it up again.
I’m with those of you who think it is believable that he changes his mind, dumps Mel and picks Molly. I’m not really seeing how ABC had this huge thing planned out from the beginning, although I guess I wouldn’t put it past them. Seriously though, why dump Melissa on national television? That seems to be taking it a bit far, and does sound ABC induced. Honestly, it sounds like Jerry Springer. That is what makes it hard for me to get a handle on – the public dumping. Maybe it is ABC though – Melissa keeps talking about how she is always the dumpee…and Molly asked Jason if he is ever worried that he will pick the wrong girl and then change his mind after. DId ya’ll notice that during their dinner date?
#20 TX Guy, I am with you. I think that it is pretty presumptuous to think that this was a big scam from the beginning. Even if it was, ABC would have been pimping this as the most shocking and dramatic finale from go, but the only card they seem to have had up their sleeve all season is the Deanna card.
I read the spoiler and I just don’t get it. Why would jason agree to go along with something like that? If Molly isn’t accepting of the “plan” he would be out two women- one he is potentially in love with. What’s the motive for him to cave and do as the producers tell him?
Second, when did this plan hatch? RS says “from the start.” That has to be bogus- Jason supposedly didn’t even know Molly then. Or if it’s even more involved that Molly and Jason already had something going in the beginning (like before they both signed on for the show)? This is too weird.
Yes, RS goes on way too long, the summaries above tell you all you need to know, in my opinion. I am not convinced there was a conspiracy, but do believe the dumping Mel for Mol (say that three times fast) part of it. I never liked Jason, he has seemed like the dorky outsider guy who gets a chance to kiss the pretty girls, and does it at every opportunity. I know Melissa is better off without him, but hate that he had to be such an attention whore to dump her on TV. There is absolutely NO excuse for this.
Are both Jason and Molly so sleazy that she would sneak around behind Melissa’s back and see him on weekends? That is just too much for me!
I apologize for my double post. My computer is possessed today.
I agree. I just read the spoiler, so maybe I missed the logic in not watching the videooooooooo.
So Jason chose Molly from early on, and still poked all three on the overnight dates, then dumps Molly at the altar for Melissa, then sees Molly on the sly while engaged, then dumps Melissa on national TV, and Molly is okay with this? She will still marry this guy? And that’s our Jason? Wow, I’m gonna need more than speculation and promises of confirmed insider scoop for this one.
Kristin (33), I agree! I think Jason was kissing the girls every chance he gets. He was happy to get some action. I wouldn’t want to be that intimate with three people at once when I was feeling strongly towards one. YUCK! YUCK! YUCK!!!
TX MRK- I agree 100%. If that’s all true, then Molly looks like the bigger fool than Jason. I can see him choosing Mel then after a few months deciding he made a huge mistake and breaking it off only to beg Molly back. That’s a wayyyy more convincing.
Also- why the big scene on the balcony? In this scenario, why is Jason having a melt down? Did the producers kidnap Ty and use him as pawn to get Jason to stick to the plan? Did they send him Ty’s little pinky in an envelope to show that they mean business and Jason MUST pick Mel to only later dump her. At this point, that’s how I’m explaining the break down.
#33 Kristin and #37 Me — YUCK is right!!!! EWW!!!
See, the funny thing is that ABC simply needs to realize this entire concept is absurd and kill it. Like RS pointed out, they are now 0-for-12. Only the very first Bachelorette worked out. YOU CANNOT FORCE LOVE!!! Hell, how many people date for a YEAR, without cameras, and realize they aren’t meant to stay together? You can’t force something int he span of six weeks (which is how long the taping is – I know cuz I know someone who was on this season). The concept and expectations are f’ing stupid. I just laugh every time I read the “winners” broke up. It take a long time to really, REALLY get to know someone.
And, with this season, you end up with a group of girls who are CLEARLY not mature enough to get married or have kids. Maybe Jill was an exception – THAT is a woman, folks. But Molly? 24. Naomi? 24 or 23 (I forgot)? And many of the others were in their early 20’s. They’re girls with dreams, not women who truly know what they want. And, frankly, Melissa is in need of some therapy. There are so many red flags waving around her I don’t know where to begin.
If this plays out as bad as I think, I hope this marks the end of this pathetic TV franchise.
I guess if this is all true, Melissa’s parents are probably feeling pretty darn good about not going on the show. Although I think my Dad (who is very private and would NEVER want to do something like this) would even make an exception to come on TV and kick Jason’s rear for pulling a stunt like that — dumping someone who has done nothing to deserve it on television??? really???? classless.
Rachel – funny stuff! I guess the idea is…$$$ “forced” Jason to do it. I am still not sure RS has the full deal figured out. More like: Jason falls in love with two people – quick decision maker that he is (not!), ABC steps in with this scenario: Proposal = $ and if you are still not sure, we make sure you get to date both and then you can decide. ABC will give you a private set to break the news to Mel, don’t worry we won’t air it….
ABC needs to continue ratings, get new contracts in place, we will make it worth your while….
Well now that we have the break up recorded….”Things like this happen Jason, you are not the only to fall in love with 2 people, your story might help someone…”
What would be the incentive for Jason and Molly to go along with this scheme? To believe this story, Jason and Molly are making this incredible connection and falling in love. And in the middle of that, to pull Molly aside (in the middle of the season with all the other girls around) and say ‘Hey Mol, we can see you’re falling in love here. So Jason is going to pick Melissa and put a ring on her finger and then a month or so later break up with her and date you. Sound good?’.
Huh??
And I know this sounds corny, but I don’t believe Chris Harrison would go along with a plot like that. I think he seems like he has integrity and I don’t believe he would go along with that sort of thing. But maybe I’m naive.
i don’t think any of it’s true. i don’t think jason would do that. if anything, i think that maybe he finds out that melissa just was in it for the camera time and not really into him, and he goes back for molly.
so glad lincee has this post so we can vent. I can’t believe abc would be so slimey, jason would be such a dirtbag, and molly would be even remotely interested in him if he DID go along with this scheme. Bottom line…. even if there’s no conspiracy…. if he breaks up with Melissa on national tv, he’s a dirtbag. Closed set? What the heck is that when it’s being broadcast to the world?
melissa was basically duped into thinking that SHE would be his choice, when in actuality jason went on and accepted the “more drama” proposal from abc.
1. he proposes to melissa (we already know)
2. they go on After the Final Rose, and he breaks mel’s heart and says he can’t marry her
3. starts seeing molly
4. when they go on After the Final rose 2, he probably proposes to molly.
and all for the name of ratings.
(that’s basically what i got from watching RS youtube.)
Looks like our little Melba turns out to be a Man-whore!
Seriously, though… If this is really what happens, I’m done with the bach/bachette! This “shocker” may produce ratings for the rest of this season, but beyond that I think people are really going to start seeing what a sham this show is.
Wow Ang and it didn’t take you 30 mins to explain it. LOL- I’m glad I was able to read RS’s spoiler and scroll through the crap.
I guess money makes people do incredible things, but I’m having a hard time wrapping my brain around some of this. I still can’t figure out the Jason break down. If he’s getting loads of money to “fake” propose to Mel, he should be skipping circles on that balcony- not trying to throw himself off.
I just don’t know that I can really believe all of this. Once I see it then I will believe it! How many people really think this is what goes down?
Like most people have said, if what RS has claimed is true about it all being for more “drama” (ABC telling Jason to choose Melissa if he wants Molly in the end), then I won’t ever watch this show again. We all know darned well that this “romantic” show is forced and a farce, but that’s just a huge slap in the face of the audience. A low blow.
However, I’m not sure RS is correct. I mean, come on. Let’s say for the sake of argument that Melissa was NOT in on this ploy from the beginning. To lead her to believe that her relationship was real with Jason, only for her to be rejected by him and find out that ABC was behind it the whole time? Well, I have two words for you: malicious and cruel. And quite frankly, I cannot believe in my heart of hearts that Jason and even the “evil” producers of TB would be willing to be that malicious or cruel just for the sake of ratings.
Maybe that’s just me being naive, but I can’t accept that. To knowingly be cruel to someone who is in the dark about the situation? I don’t know…something doesn’t add up with what we know about Jason. This is a guy who takes his relationship with his son very seriously. Don’t you think it would have entered his mind that someday he’d have to explain himself to Ty? However, if RS is right then this might be THE MOST malicious and cruel thing a reality series has ever done.
So here’s what I think: I think he chooses Melissa. I think he changes his mind. With any kind of luck, he won’t do what RS is claiming and dump Mel on national TV, and with any kind of luck, she wasn’t strung around like RS has claimed she was.
But I do have to wonder — how would we ever know for sure if RS’s conspiracy theory is correct? Just because he says so? Just because he claims to have “privileged information?” It’s his word against ABC’s.
I think it is all correct. Yes, hard to believe, but true. If you read the spoiler sites, earlier in the season, Shannon supposedly said that the week she was let go, she rejected the rose.(Info from her facebook page) They then retaped it as Jason deciding not to hand out the final rose. I wrote it off as she was bitter and didn’t want to look stupid, but now it is starting to make more sense. These things are all for ratings. Also, people are trying to say Molly didn’t know anything. Well, she may not have known anything for a while, but at some point she knew. If she was supposedly flying to Seattle to visit Jason after filming wrapped, she knew. She may not have known on the show, but that was to get a true reaction from her for the finale. I think it is very evident she would have known soon after that. If so, that speaks volumes about her character. Everyone is speculating as to why would she would take him back, but remember even a few months after Brad dumped DeAnna, she said on a the After show that she would still take him back. And, it is hard to believe that OHCH would go along with it too, but if it is your job, and the show doesn’t get renewed, you are out of a job. Maybe that’s why he went along with it.
I agree – the only thing I really have trouble with in the whole Reality Steve scenario is the dumping of Melissa on national TV. I can believe Jason was torn, that he picked Melissa in the heat of the moment (so to speak) and then realized he had made a mistake. But to do something that publicly humiliates someone you supposedly love? That’s a toughie. In addition to the problem of having girls instead of women on the show, there’s the whole “unrealness” of it – heck, I’d probably fall for a halfway decent looking, halfway nice, halfway intelligent guy too if he were romancing the crap out of me in New Zealand. Of course when we’ve returned to our dingy real lives, the glass might look more half empty than it did in the middle of all the romancing. Just sayin’
You know which part I don’t get? What either of these girls see in Jason. So far, he comes across as a kissing machine with a hot bod. I have yet to hear him talk intelligently on any subject…world peace, his son, anything the women say to him. He just sits there all the time, listening to them go on and on, waiting for a chance to kiss them. I know they are not supposed to tip their hands as to who they are falling in love with, but he says NOTHING!! I guess maybe if you are 24, hard to remember it’s been so long, a hot bod and kissing are plenty to make you “fall in love”. But both of them? And the ones that got the boot recently? How can so many women fall in love with so little substance? And from the sound of it, no integrity.
Jenna,
At the very least, I can assure you he ends up with Molly.
so supposedly Molly was flying in and out of SeaTac without anyone seeing her? It’s not that big of an airport. Once the bachelor usually picks the “one” don’t they keep the couple out of the public eye? I thought they possibly went a few months without seeing one another so they aren’t spotted out and about?
Jenna, I was on the show…I wouldn’t put it past them for a split second. In fact, when I my feelings toward them included the words “evil” and “cruel,” among other things. In fact, I feel a little vindicated here – i hope this whole thing blows up in there face. I haven’t been able to talk about what went on during my season and I’m glad that they are finally being exposed. It’s kind of therapeutic in a weird way.
sorry, I ment to say when “I left my feelings towards them included…”
*meant*
Deb,
That’s what I’ve been saying for weeks. He’s a himbo. If he wasn’t hot, he wouldn’t eb on the show. I have yet to hear one really intelligent thing come out of his mouth. All I hear when he speaks is “Like…like….like…like….” and “Amazing.” We haven’t been privy to ONE really deep, intelligent conversation between him and anyone else. I’m thinking he might as well have picked that piece of ass he dumped in Vegas, because he was about as “deep” as her.
Deb- probably why the have wine on nearly every date. haha seriously! I thought Jason was a real sweetheart when he was on DD’s show but now that he’s the bachelor- wow, he has nothing to offer. i couldn’t stand how he just silently waited until the women were done talking so he could put is tongue down their throat.
ab3: Yes Shannon is telling the truth!!
And Shannon rejecting the rose explains why she went from “stalker shannon” to “who cares shannon” during her exit ITM.
So if Shannon rejected the rose, why did she act completely obsessed with Jason? I get things are edited, but there is no way those scenes were edited. She seriously rambled off facts about him, constantly confessed her undying love during the one on one with the camera, etc.
dc-#60, hilarious! haha im thinking the exact same. what i do want to know is this: is molly REALLY pregnant, or is that a complete rumor, too? please clear this up for me, someone.
I just can’t buy it. I wanted to believe RS this morning but then started thinking. I just don’t see how Mel and Jason could have faked that chemistry. I don’t think either one of them are THAT good at acting. Is it just me or did those two come across as crazy for each other? And how could Molly be okay with Jason making out like that with Jill in the hot tub? Molly came across as “boil a bunny” crazy and I just don’t see her being okay with HER man making out like that with the other girls.
I get that the whole “you can’t meet my parents” thing with Mel makes it look like this all makes sense. Maybe, just maybe, it WAS all a sham in the beginning, but maybe Mel really did fall for Jason (hence her saying “it wasn’t supposed to be like this” on several occasions). And maybe, just maybe, Jason fell for Mel? Would that explain the tension between Mel and Molly on Monday’s episode?
I dunno…if all of this IS true, and Mel had no idea and Jason was seeing Molly on “off” weekends, then Molly and Jason are both very vile individuals. Molly would be deserving of every bad name she’s been called (esp. homewrecker!). How could she willingly see a guy who was still “engaged” to someone else, when the other person had no idea?!
I just don’t know what to think. I think I will reserve my judgement for the finale and see how this all plays out. I want to believe that Jason, Mel, Molly and esp. OHCH would never EVER mess with us like this…
Type the bachelor shannon bair facebook in google and an interview will pop up, it kind of explains things. Taking what you know now, and read her answers, it all kind of makes sense. Even in the interview when asked why Jason didn’t hand out the rose, she never actually says that he doesn’t. She just says that neither were feeling it and it was a mutual decision. She also explains how she came across as stalkerish and weird. She also says that she is back with an ex that she was with for 5 yrs.
If this ridiculous situation turns out to be true, we need to hurt ABC where it counts – with the Advertisers – let THEM know we won’t be watching anymore, and why!!! Only then will we get their attention.
Thank goodness that our smart, witty, beautiful, together Jillian was spared this mess!
I’m not quite sure what all the hoopla is about. Melissa is a fruit loop and Molly should have been his choice the entire time. I don’t think we need to take it out on ABC or Jason, after all people, it is REALITY TV, remember??
Sorry for so many posts, but also to prove a point of everything is not as it seems, if you read Kate Brockhouse’s blog (from Andy’s season), she says that on her season, she and a few other already had boyfriends. She was blasted for throwing all the other girls under the bus on the skiing date, but she said she did it b/c she knew she was going home and she didn’t like Andy. She says that she told him this and he started to cry, but they of course didn’t show it. She says they had Andy eliminate her and it was so late at night and she was so tired that eventually she just gave in and read from cards what the producers wanted her to say, about how upset she was etc. So that right there, coming from someone on the show, shows you how things can be spun.
i think i just watched my last TB season. over and over i have felt manipulated by the previews etc. (like naomi’s meltdown before steph got the axe) and on and on.
then there’s jason getting a week in NZ to sleep with three women. why are we not completely disgusted by this?? i guess i’ve always been a big pollyana about what goes down *ahem* on the fantasy dates, but have chosen to just not go there.
jason = slime + sleaze and molly is evil if she went behind mel’s back.
and i will “absolutely” (to quote melissa, the most overused word this season, that and “connection”) PUKE if they make melissa the next bachelorette.
enough with the jilted lovers.
enough with the bachelor.
and i hope molly is happy with jason. b/c after all the filming is over, i can guarantee you he is one hairy (ick) dude who has to probably comb his back.
Thanks ab3- I read the interview. I’m still not convinced on this entire subject though. I think Shannon was saving face in that interview- specifically since she is back together with her boyfriend of 5 years. She says that she did the bachelor during their short break- well of course she is going to backtrack and try to not look so hopelessly in love with Jason.
It’s interesting that she points to Melissa and Jillian as the leaders of the pack. If this whole drama is true, what did the producers do? Pull out the Men in Black mind eraser and make them all forget who they saw Jason connecting with.
Wow! Can I remind you these are RUMORS? If it’s true, yes, that’s awful, but no need to get so worked up right now. I personally don’t believe it. If you say all that out loud, it sounds completely ridiculous. I was just telling my coworker and burst out laughing in the middle because of how stupid it sounds. If I had to guess, I’d say he picks Melissa, doesn’t propose because he hasn’t met her parents, meets her parents after the final taping and will propose to her at the After The Final Rose episode.
So, aeh27 (post 74) – What do you do at ABC?
To explain Shannon’s supposed “stalker” knowledge of Jason…remember, these girls are in the audition process for months. They are deciding whether to totally disrupt their lives and their jobs to go on some reality show for a random dude they’ve never met. I guarantee you that every single one of them has googled to the ends of the earth to find out about this guy and whether he is worth it – wouldn’t you? I know I did. Now…I wouldn’t have ever admitted to it in front of the cameras…
That’s her one mistake, should’ve play it cool girl!
Also, remember that these girls give their interviews with a representative from ABC media relations on the line…they can’t exactly open up, and are absolutely forbidden from talking about anything that wasn’t shown on TV – or at least that is what they are told.
I heard that he proposes to Melissa and things are going well. Then over Christmas she hooked back up with her ex boyfriend and broke the engagement off with Jason to get engaged to her ex. The After the Rose is the first time Jason is able to confront her for the first time.
Ummm— I know LOTS of women that google/ myspace stalk their new crushes and they aren’t on TV. I don’t think what Shannon did was odd. I think confessing to it and consquently displaying her obsession over and over again is what made her look like a stalker. Now I think she is trying to save face by not looking so crazy– even with a ABC representative listening in. I think watching yourself on tv is probably very scary so I do feel for all the girls on these shows, but backtracking is backtracking. She was into Jason and she practically begged him to keep her and unfortunately got a black napkin and snot stuck on her face.
Former-Bachette – believe me, I hear what you’re saying. And money does talk. But does it talk loud enough that a seemingly nice guy like Jason would willingly and knowingly deceive someone in the dark (if Mel was truly in the dark at all), and lead them to believe it was real love, and a real engagement, only to completely destroy them on national TV? That I just can’t wrap my head around.
So either it’s not as dasterdly as RS is making it out to be (as conspiracy theories go), or else Melissa was in on it the whole time too. I cannot imagine that a man such as Jason who would have to answer to his son and his family after next week would stoop that low to be that malicious and cruel.
Executive Producers with a failing show? Maybe. A seeming mensch like Jason? I’m not convinced.
So I’ll say that again – I’m convinced that he changed his mind after all was said and done. NOT convinced that it was a set-up from word “go”, and if it was, then I do think Mel was in on it the whole time.
OMG, I forgot about the black napkin ‘incident’. Too funny! Thanks for the reminder, Rachel.
Ashley ( # 77) – Where did you hear that Melissa hooked up with her ex over Christmas and that she (rather than Jason) broke the engagement?
I can only comment on the show, I can’t comment on Jason. I too find it very hard to believe that he willingly went along with this. If he did then there had to be some major manipulation and brainwashing.
Okay, I had no idea about any of this. I had heard about Reality Steve months ago, but never followed up to see what he had to say as he slowly leaked the information. I think his way of giving clues, is suspicious. If he is now providing every single detail as well as showing his face, why did he not just say this from the get go? Maybe he explains this in the long video, but as per the advice here, I’m not watching.
More importantly, no one has addressed the vital issue here: What are we going to do w/o Lincee if we all quit The Bachelor?!?!?! Seriously! She is the only reason I’ve been watching this show for so many years, I would have quit seasons ago.
Does anyone know where you can see the text of alleged emails between Melissa and Jason (where – supposedly – Melissa is asking Jason why he did this and he says he is just doing what he was told to do?). Someone posted the emails to the RS blog comments. RS claims the emails are real, but deleted them from the comments. I’m really curious if Jason actually tells Melissa that “he’s just doing what they told him to do”…
#69 – No kidding! Now I’m GLAD Jillian was sent home.
I have a feeling it’s as scandalous and not as scandalous as it seems. This was shot in October. I think that IF he picked Melissa and somehow ended up with Molly instead, that they shot the show, he proposed to Melissa, and shortly thereafter realized she wasn’t the one for him. At that point, ABC, trying to avoid yet ANOTHER monumental matchmaking failure, asked him if he’d like to explore a relationship with Molly, who had been his second up. They THEN decided to finish editing the season with all the “drama” they’ve been talking about – they’re not about to fly everyone back to New Zealand to reshoot new ending, so they instead are doing the “ATFR” parts 1 and 2 to “complete” the story.
The bottom line is some people come into our house through the tv programs we watch and we begin to think we know something about them. Like Jason and Chris, Jillian, etc.
All we know are what we have been allowed to see through ABC’s eyes. Yes, the contestants have to give them something to splice and dice…
In reality we don’t know these people at all – unless we are related, best friends or grew up next door!
No matter what – regardless of the “real story” – Jason’s a man whore. You CAN’T edit that many make-out sessions. The idea that it was Molly from the beginning makes everything that much more dispicable.
I’m telling you, Former Bach-ette, they whipped out the Men In Black memory eraser. Who knows- maybe they will use the memory eraser on the viewing audience during the after ATFR part 2 so we can continue to watch season after season. Please ABC- erase my memor of this train wreck.
Former Bach-ette, do you know the protocol for visiting after the finale airs? How often are the Bachelor and his chosen lady allowed to see each other? Do they get to call each other, email, etc? All we really need to know is if Molly was visiting Jason (supposedly they were). If we knew that, then we would have our answer.
Molly works in the same corp. and seems quite happy. I don’t know her personally, but that is the vibe given off.
Ab3- I was curious and looked it up. I found this article:
After a week of silence, The Bachelor: Paris couple Travis Stork and Sarah Stone have admitted that their romantic relationship is over, with Travis citing The Bachelor’s requirement that its couple remain apart until after the show’s finale episode airs as a reason for their breakup.
“You’re in Paris and you’re part of this incredible experience, this fantasy world, and then suddenly you come back to Nashville, and living in the same city I think we thought was going to be a great thing,” Stork told his local The Tennessean newspaper during a Monday joint telephone interview that represented the couple’s first public comments since last week’s The Bachelor: Paris finale aired and rumors that they’d already broken up began to surface.
“But instead, you’re forced to pretend you don’t know someone, for essentially the last four months,” the 33-year-old Vanderbilt Medical Center emergency room doctor continued. “The reality is that we were in this fantasy world. And now that we’re back in Nashville, over time when you’re not allowed to see someone, you grow apart.”
Maybe they changed the rules, but it really makes the whole Jason & Mel vs Molly visits inplausible. I just have a hard time believing that ABC wouldn’t worry that people would see them together.
#66 (Tina), I agree with you 1000% about Jason and Mel’s chemistry! Wow, they seem sooo hot for each other! I haven’t liked Molly from the beginning, she seems very fake! Oh well, we won’t have to worry too long, no matter who he chose in the end…it won’t last more than a year anyway!
Oh, and this is the first I’ve heard of RS….so, just exactly how does he know all of this???
Rachel, thanks for the info. I remember hearing that, but you always hear that the show arranges at least one or two weekends in b/t the end of taping and the end of the show airing so the couple can see each other. I was just wondering the truth of it b/c I can’t remember where I saw/read that. And I understand with Sarah and Travis b/c they lived in the same city and I think even worked out at the same gym, so they would have had to be especially careful.
I just heard “ABC’s The Bachelor” casting agents will be at a Single in the City party in Denver, CO next Friday…I think thats their way of doing damage control and pimping out the series before the finale airs!
To #84 HeyYou – the e-mails were never posted. The person in possession of them didn’t want to post them on RS’s site so they just described them. The original comments dicussing the e-mails have been removed but they have been copied back into the comments by others. You’ll have to navigate through 1000 comments to find them but if I recall they were written in all caps – be careful – it’s a jungle over there!!
Peer pressure bites! I wish I’d never looked.
And I’m wondering…is it possible HE’S WRONG?
BTW, Chris Harrison’s blogpost from this week makes mention of all the rumors and theories floating around. And I’m thinking, he’s quite aware of Reality Steve. I’m just wondering if it’s possible that ABC would go to great lengths to try to throw someone like him off.
Just a thought….
If these rumors are true, I just am stunned. If I want to watch scripted “reality” tv, I would watch the hills. Which I don’t. I’m not so gullible that I think all the couples will go off in the sunset and get married and live happily ever after. I just figured it was a 6 week long dating show and at the end a couple is formed to date and …. maybe the possibility of more. But if this was all preplanned. Stunning.
I also really liked OHCH more this season. With his chats with Jason, he seemed to really like him, like they were actually friends. If this was all just Jason propping with an alternative motive, well that is just swarmy!
I wish I hadn’t read the spoilers, but it was just too much for me to resist. I wish I didn’t. This is the only show I make sure I see each week. I just love the awkward moments and the silliness. I don’t care too much for the cat fights. Lately, the women seemed to be getting along and I thought…hey, this is one of the best seasons yet. Then, the other shoe dropped.
I am just so bummed!
Try and view it this way to see if it makes sense: Jason, Molly and Melissa are contractually committed to ABC to carry on as they have from the get-go. Melissa knows she is not going to end up the chosen one, Molly knows she is, Jason gets the spoils, and ABC can dramatize the whole thing to the max. This would explain some of the non sequiturs that have come out of Molly’s, Jason’s, and Melissa’s mouths. It most assuredly explains why Melissa’s parents and brother aren’t part of the show (they would have to go along with the act), and explains the odd behavior of Molly’s parents. This show has struggled on ABC for years, and every breakup has added to that struggle. ABC would undoubtedly make whatever deal they could to get a result they can “take to the bank.”
I don’t believe this could have been done without Melissa’s participation, and knowledge of the outcome. Someone else in the other comments section put it best: FRAUD. ABC could easily be sued for fraud, definitely by Melissa, and conceivably by any of the other women who in good faith signed on to the program, when in fact the outcome was never going in their favor.
People have speculated for many seasons that various participants have been “plants” — especially because, as I recall, we’ve had at least one that was acknowledged to be just that. Why is it so far off the mark to believe that ABC would set the stage with ALL of the major participants as “plants?”
OK – SOmeone who claims to have worked for ABC just posted on the RS site that RS is way off base and that whoever gave him his “scoop” must be laughing -
What if ABC decided Molly gets #2 with the intent to swap her out after a “very dramatic ATR”. Then ABC has an entire country on their knees dying to set Melissa up with a brother, cousin, uncle – anybody really, b/c we all feel so sorry for her. Jason goes off into reality tv obscurity with Molly and the next season of The Bachelorette, starring the perennial dumpee and Dallas Cowboys Cheerleader, Melissa, has the highest ratings of any Bachelor franchise ever? Oh my gosh, this does sound too whacko to be true!
I posted #77 and I have a friend from college who is friends with Melissa’s ex who is now her fiance and who Jason dumped her for. She says there are pictures on his MySpace of him and Melissa engaged.
I don’t know if any of this is true, but I have to say that the premise that Jason proposes to Melissa and then SHE dumps him during the “interval”….and then he asks to start up a convo with Molly again makes a fair amount of sense and would explain most of what I’ve heard swirling around. No one has ever gone after F2 before when the deal with F1 fell apart, but I have to say that I’ve always kind of wondered why not – obviously F2 is someone the bachelor has developed a lot of feelings for, and it’s kind of surprising that given all the F1 failures, that’s never happened before (that we know of). It would be interesting and kinda dramatic, but not anywhere near as SHOCKING as everyone is making it out to be.
Back a few weeks when they aired the infamous overnight tent date I thought to myself “she better be the final one”…maybe he’s just been into her from the moment he met her…why else would he have an overnight date SO fast and he did say she was the best kisser.
what if reality steve is being paid to release this “so called information” so that it will up the ratings for the finale. Who knows!! I guess we will all find out in 2 weeks! If it is true, though, I can’t imagine people being okay with it.. but then again, people love drama and ABC sure knows that!!
*paid by ABC
Let’s slow down people…who is this Reality Steve character and why are we all believing him so much?
Well if it’s true it makes that scene with Molly’s Dad make much more sense. Remeber when he said don’t cry in the limo if you’re not picked. They were laughing and practically winking. It looked like such an inside joke. I thought it was really strange but if she had already clued them in on what was happening it matches perfectly. I also think it will be the end of the series if it’s true.
Think about it…
1) Jason was friends with Bevin, admitted he watched her get dumped by Andy, after she was led on. (Per interview)
2) Jason is dumped by DeAnna, after being led on.
3) Jason goes on The Bachelor anyway. He went with full knowledge of how this crap comes down…the only question is…did he agree to a certain outcome? I could see how he could get talked into it, they have him (no outside contact) at their disposal to persuade…
Not right but a version of the rumor is possible…
Here’s a theory: Reality Steve has finally decided to become a reality TV player himself. ABC has paid HIM to stir the pot, big time, so we will all be sure to tune in. Maybe RS with his goofy dog and plastic bottle of water has sold his soul to the devil.
Except, it didn’t work for me. Next Monday evening, I will be at a meeting at my village hall. Now that, my friends, is going to be really exciting. Mmmm . . . . zoning disagreements, discussions of signage on major thoroughfares . . . Who’s with me?
Okay, I’m liking Ashley’s explaination #77 & #103. What she says sounds the most plausible and more like what actually happens. I hope this is the truth though. I can’t imagine that Jason or any of the women would go along with something like what everyone else is talking about.
Melissa hooking back up with an ex sounds reasonable. Especially after reading what Rachel #91 said about Travis Stork and his choice.
All this is incredibly sad though… I’m glad I’m married already!!!!!
so this was posted on RS’s website by someone
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=427025076
It is Megan’s myspace and check out her away message.. she is practically saying “yes” the rumors are true!!
Does anyone remember in the previews on the first episode when they showed jason at the proposal pedestal twirling around a very dark headed brown haired girl? Why would they show this if they didn’t have something up their sleave. I mean wouldn’t it throw all of those detective people off balance? I don’t know but none of this makes sense at all. Why would this man who has been so evident about protecting his son go through all of this controversy where his son is inevitably going to be drug through the mud along with his dad at this “decision”. I know that there have always been questions of why would anyone drag their child through the media attention anyway, but I truly felt that he was attempting to keep his son from the middle of the drama. I think if there has to have been a break up I hope it was Melissa breaking it off with him and Molly was there to pick up the pieces. I mean after all she is a good kisser according to Jason. Maybe she kissed his blues away. : ) I just want to be able to tie it all up with a neat little bow and I think ABC will want that as well. If Melissa is happy with a new fiance’ and jason and Molly are happy then everyone will be happy and no one will “quit watching this show”. Like I said before the theory that Jason acts like a louse makes no sense. If that spoiler guy is right then I give him kudos but the common sense part of me just won’t accept it, at least for now.
I am a long time fan of Lincee’s blog – never watched spoilers – only watch the show anymore for IHGB blog!
BUT! I went to RS site – painfully watched the first 9-some-odd minutes – watched the first 8 sec’s of the second round and thought ‘What a tool!”
He is worse than the show. He could’ve said everything in 2 minutes or less.
After watching that – I don’t even care anymore what the big stink is. I just want it to happen so Lincee can artfully make fun of it!
Here’s the long version:
So here’s what I can tell you what went down in the finale:
Jason chose Melissa in New Zealand. No reshoots, no editing, no nothing. All you sleuthers figured it out from Day 1. Which you were supposed to. That’s why I said ABC knew exactly what they were doing when they released the hand with the freckles and the pinky ring and all that stuff. Do you really think they’d make it that easy for you to know he proposes to Melissa in the finale? Just because it was Melissa in New Zealand, didn’t mean you knew the final one now. There’s your love story that they want you to believe. From day one, they’re gonna make it seem like it was Jason and Melissa. She visits him in Seattle. They’re working on a relationship, she’s the lucky girl. But from the beginning, they’ve been planning a shocking ending. And that shocking ending happens to come at the expense of Melissa.
Right now, Jason and Melissa are not together.
The first “After the Final Rose” was filmed in late January. In the videos, I reference that it was filmed either Fri, Jan 23rd, or Sat, Jan. 24th. I’ve since been corrected. Pretty much the only thing I’ve been wrong about. It was actually done the Sunday before on the 18th. I found out a week later on the 25th, made some calls, sent some emails, and ran with this “exclusive” news on the night of Jan. 27th, as you can clearly see in the blog.
What happens at the “ATFR”? Jason ends his engagement with Melissa, and begins a relationship with Molly. I wasn’t there, I don’t know what was said, or who it was said to, but at the taping, Jason dumped Melissa (which will be shown on national television to us) and begins dating Molly. Was there a proposal to Molly? As far as I know, on that date back in January, there was not a proposal. But currently, as we speak, Jason and Molly are together and have been for a while (which I will get to in a minute).
The reason the 2nd “ATFR” was added? I’m guessing to tell us about Jason and Mollys relationship, probably let us know how great she is with Ty, get a reaction from Melissa, and, this is just a guess, but I think Jason will propose to Molly on the “ATFR 2″, if he hasn’t already. That’s complete speculation on my part. But the reason there’s an “ATFR 2″ is because they need to update people on how Jason and Molly are doing.
ABC will present this whole scenario as Jason just changed his mind after thinking this over long and hard. I’m here to tell you I have every reason to believe he didn’t. This was all set in motion from the very beginning that there would be a storyline of: If you want to be with Molly, then you have to pick Melissa. We will have a breakup on the “ATFR”, where you’ll dump Melissa, and say you want to start dating Molly. That’s what you’ll get the night of the finale.
Here’s where I believe this whole story was fabricated.
This is a struggling franchise, we know that. They’re 0-for-12 in producing marriages. So they know people are already skeptical about watching this show to see a love story and an engagement. Well, what’s one thing they’ve never done in the series history? Have the “Bachelor” break up with the one he’s engaged to during the “ATFR”, AND, end up taking the final two girl back. In this case, Molly. So when I said ABC “Grew a brain and pulled a fast one”, I was referencing the fact they decided to show you Melissa getting the ring in early season previews thinking that they had given away the season. That was purposely done, so when he then breaks up with her, and gets back with Molly, that gives you the “jaw dropper” or “shocker”, since its never happened before. And don’t say you knew that all along, because no one did, other than a selected few. All you need to do is go back over past comments in my blogs to see how off everyone was with their guesses. Because when the Final Rose Ceremony ends, a lot of you would’ve said, “That’s it. We’ve known it was her all along. Where’s the drama?”
I’D SAY THAT’S PRETTY SHOCKING. Picking Melissa in New Zealand, dating her for two months, then taping the “ATFR” in January to break up with her only to get back with Molly. NO ONE had that scenario played out from the beginning. NO ONE. And how could you unless you knew the “ATFR” was taped in January? I did, which is why I ran with the information that I had.
BUT THAT’S NOT ALL. Some of you might ask, “Why would Molly take him back?” Here’s where I can tell you where the season became a soap opera and is the best answer I can give you. From everything I’ve heard, I have been led to believe that this season was NEVER, EVER about Melissa. It’s always been about Molly. Jason and Molly’s connection was stronger than anyone elses in the house, everyone knew it, but they couldn’t just play that the whole season because it wouldn’t have been interesting. So they concocted a storyline of, “Let him pick Melissa, and let us have a break up on the ‘ATFR’, something we’ve never done before, AND have him start his relationship with Molly.” I’d say that’s shocking. Why? Because it’s never happened before, and this whole idea of Jason being “wonderful single dad looking for love” would never be disputed because, well, my God, Jason Mesnick would never agree to such a thing. Ummmmm, he did.
Some point during the season, it was established Jason and Molly were THE couple. I’ve been led to believe it was perfectly obvious to them that it was him and her, and Melissa was a distant 2nd. So what does the show do? Something they’ve never done before. They have the Bachelor dump his final one at the “ATFR”, and start dating the woman he dumped in the finale, which is Molly. But as you’ll see, I’m going to be right about everything else. So I find it incredibly believable, that Jason was approached with this scenario to generate, buzz, ratings, etc and he agreed to it. You ask what I couldn’t wrap my head around? Well, that Jason agreed to this. But hey, he was doing what he was told which would make for a bombshell of an ending to the season. Fleiss saying, “Just when you think it’s over, it’s not.” Well, here’s your proof. You’ll think it’s over when Jason proposes to Melissa in New Zealand, but its not since he dumps her two months later at the “ATFR” so he can start seeing Molly.
I feel horrible for Melissa. I really do. She was completely blindsided in this whole mess. She flys out to LA for an “emergency ATFR taping” (remember, the ATFR’s usually aren’t taped until a week before the finale airs. Why would they have to tape it in late January if the finale wasn’t airing til March 3rd? Because it was all part of the plan), at that taping, she’s thinking her fiancé is going to tell her he’s over Molly 100%, but not only does she not hear that, and this is big, Jason has been SEEING Molly ever since the show stopped taping in November. That’s right. While he’s engaged to Melissa, he’s getting weekends with Molly on the weekends Melissa isn’t visiting Seattle. You can choose to believe that Jason just changed his mind after two months of dating Melissa and believe the ABC story. I’m here to tell you the reason he changed his mind, is because he was seeing Molly behind Melissa’s back.
Read the contracts these contestants sign, and talk to anybody who has ever been involved with the show, once taping ends, these people, especially the “Bachelor” and the final two girls, are under lock and key. Everything they do is monitored. They don’t want what happens at the final rose ceremony getting out. So you’re telling me that Molly was able to visit Jason in Seattle just because “he was having second thoughts”, or, “that he missed her.” Please. Like I said, believe it if you want, but I don’t buy it. Jason was seeing Molly from the time the taping of the show ended, til the time the “ATFR” filmed in January. I think he tells this to Melissa during the taping, and if he does, more proof this was all set up from the get go.
Now on to some questions I’m sure you have.
Did Melissa know this was happening? At first, no, she didn’t. Talk about unlucky. How about showing up for the “ATFR” taping thinking your fiancé is going to tell you that he’s completely over his dumpee, only to have him turn the tables on you, dump you on the spot, tell you he’s been seeing this dumpee on the weekends that he wasn’t with you, and now all the sudden you’re completely blindsided, embarrassed on national television, and now become the dumpee yourself? Melissa did not see this coming. Unfortunately, she was a pawn in this game and I feel awful for her.
What’s Molly’s role in this? I think this is the million dollar question right now and I don’t know the answer to it. I don’t know if he told her at the Final Rose Ceremony everything that was going on. If I had to guess, I’d say no. I think they’d want an honest reaction from her. But honestly, I don’t not know the definitive answer to this question. I’ve been led to believe she wasn’t in on it. Everything points to Jason being approached by the producers with this storyline, and agreeing to go along with it for ratings purposes, since they knew this would be big.
So did Jason intentionally do that to Melissa knowing he was getting rid of her that whole time? Remember, I told you there was something I couldn’t wrap my head around? That was it. I had a hard time believing Jason would go along with this scenario, BUT EVERYTHING I’VE BEEN LED TO BELIEVE, says he has. Do I know for a fact? No. But I think its pretty clear what’s going on here. The guy just didn’t change his mind after dating Melissa for a couple months. This was a scenario put in place from the beginning of the season.
What about this great chemistry between Jason and Melissa? All manufactured. Did they like each other? Sure. You can see their chemistry because that’s what they want you to see. But just because you saw it, doesn’t mean it was there. Yes, they liked each other, but from all accounts, I’ve been led to believe that they people knew it was Molly very early on in the process. This season has never been about Melissa, it’s been about Molly.
Jason said in interviews he was engaged and happy? How do you explain that? Yes, he was. All those interviews were done the first week the show aired. Try and find me a Jason interview that was done AFTER the 1st “ATFR” was shot. So after Jan. 18th. You can’t because he hasn’t done one. And probably won’t do one. Why do you think Fleiss is saying things like, “Just when you think it ends, it doesn’t?” That’s because he already has the 1st “ATFR” in the can. It was shot in late January and Melissa got completely screwed. Although Fleiss will have you believe “this is human emotions, and Jason struggled with his decision and ultimately changed his mind.” Uh huh. Sure he did. How about Host Chris recently saying “It took a lot of guts for Jason to do what he did.” Some of you were confused as to why he said that. You shouldn’t be now. Took a lot of guts to dump Melissa on national television and start dating Molly. A lot of guts.
Ok, onto answering all the clues:
K Moon/Rebecca: It’s not so much the who, but the how. Him being with Molly isn’t that shocking. I mean, she was the final two girl after all. It’s the way it happened. I’ve already explained this clue and I think you know what I mean now.
Montreal: Some of you got it. Montreal is part of the famous WWF “Montreal Screwjob” (wikipedia it), but you had the wrong people playing the wrong roles. You all had the 25 bachelorettes as the actors, with Fleiss telling them what to do. Not the case. Fleiss and Jason were the ones doing the screwing and Melissa was on the receiving end. WHY DO YOU THINK I TOLD YOU TO READ MEGAN AND SHANNONS EXIT INTERVIEW? They admitted the guy was hard to read, acted like he didn’t pay attention, and asked everyone the same thing. That’s because apparently he wasn’t interested in getting to know someone else. The “Montreal Screwjob”, in short, was about a title match back in 1997 where the owner of the WWF and the challenger of the match, conspired together behind closed doors, to screw the champion out of his title. Essentially, in this case, ABC/Fleiss are playing the role of the owner of the company, Jason plays the role of the challenger, and Melissa is the champion. Melissa gets blindsided by everything and gets screwed. If you choose to believe that producers and Jason weren’t in on it together, then this clue meant nothing to you. However, I think its clear now what was going on.
2/3: Two meanings. First off, I told you I thought there might be leaks about what happens. Well, the two things I thought would get leaked were Jason and Melissa were broken up, and that he was with Molly. Wasn’t the full story. But the 3rd was most important was that that’s how it was supposed to happen. So the “2/3″ clue meant, “Hey, even if you know 2 major things (Jason/Melissa breakup, Jason and Molly now together), you still didn’t know everything. There was a 3rd and VERY IMPORTANT factor, that being it was all planned in advance. This wasn’t “human emotion” taking over. If I hear that one more time, I’ll vomit.
The second meaning of “2/3″ was probably the most important part that if you figured out, you might’ve been on to something. In every blog I’ve written since I broke the “exclusive” news, I NEVER SAID THE PHRASE “FINAL ROSE CEREMONY.” Go back and check. I always said “FINALE.” Why? Because the information I had had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE 2 HR FINALE. I just knew it was Molly and Melissa, he chooses Melissa, proposes, puts a ring on her, and they spin around. It had everything to do with the “ATFR” that was taped already in January. 100% confirmed. Was I there? No, but I know it happened. And I know the basics of what happened there: He dumps Melissa and gets with Molly. Don’t know the order they were brought out, who he addressed first, did he cry, whatever. I just knew that it was a complete blindside to Melissa. And if that wasn’t shocking enough, that this was all planned at some point during filming. So the other meaning to “2/3″ was that the “finale” is 3 hours long. You were all focused on the first two hours in regards to what I knew. You thought people left on their own. You thought Stephanie or Jillian was coming back. You thought all this stuff. My exclusive news had nothing to do with the finale itself, it had to do with the last hour of the finale, which was the “ATFR.” 2/3 meant you were concentrating on the first two hours of the finale when I was talking about the third hour.
Bird Flower: Rhymes with 3rd hour. Everything I knew from when I found out was about the 3rd hour of the show. I thought of this one Monday night. Pretty self explanatory.
One last thing to get to here. There was someone on my comment board who claimed they had gotten access to an email conversation between Melissa and Jason, which occurred after the “ATFR 1″ took place. They came to me with this, forwarded me the email, and told me to look into it. I did. It has been confirmed that yes, it was legitimate. It was Jason and Melissas email addresses on there, and Melissa is basically confronting Jason for what he did, and Jason admits he was just doing what he was told to do. I am in possession of this email conversation now. I was going to repost it on the blog, because it basically verifies everything I’ve just told you (even Melissa admits she had an idea Jason was seeing Molly behind her back), but out of respect to the both of them, I will not print them. I already feel horrible enough for what happened to Melissa. The last thing she needs is to wake up this morning and see a private email conversation between her and Jason spread out all over the internet. Trust me, I’d love to get it out there to prove that Jason knew exactly what was going on from the beginning, but I think the videos and this column speak for itself. It’s up to you decide. You can choose to believe Jason was not complicit in this whole charade and that he truly loved Melissa, proposed to her in New Zealand, and after dating her for two months, decided he made a mistake. I’m just telling you, I don’t believe that’s what happened here. And when this finale airs in two weeks, you will see for yourselves.
Wow. Even when I think this is over, something tells me this is just the beginning. It’s been a wild ride, no doubt. Thanks for hangin’ with me and seeing this through. Unless Fleiss decides to re-shoot the “ATFR 1″, then this is what you will see come Monday night, March 2nd. Any questions, comments, emails, praises, criticisms, email me at steve@realitysteve.com. I’m sure I will gather any questions that you have and post a column later this week. I apologize to emailers that I haven’t gotten back to recently, but this has gotten completely out of control. I’ve gotten way more emails than I could handle. I will try to do better in the future.
From a poster on reality steve’s website…interesting theory:
I think there were a lot of people in on this.
Molly gets the early overnight date because Jason’s attraction to her is early and very obvious and nobody else even comes close. So he has an overnight date to confirm she is the one. Even the other girls can see how into her he is.
So, they have the GH date and teach the rest of the girls how to do stage kisses and cry on cue and just general acting lessons. I think when Jason supposedly told Melissa that he was acting with the other girls but with her it was real that he really was saying that to Molly. Since Molly wasn’t on the set they had Jillian put on the blonde wig to play Molly being engaged to. Now the stage manager on the GH set who is also the stage manager for TB teaches the girls how to act. At some point they tell the remaining girls that Jason wants Molly and doesn’t want to lead anyone on so they will be acting out the rest of the dates so they can still have the show.
I think that’s why everybody was so emotional that day because they were told that Molly was the one. The RC that day Jason broke the rules and sent 3 people home to surprise them so they could get reactions from them that they wouldn’t have gotten otherwise. Either that or it was the final 4 or 5 girls that were in on it and doing the acting.
Somewhere along the line they tell Melissa that she can be the next Bachelorette but she has to pretend to get engaged to Jason so the audience will feel really sorry for her and be rooting for her to come back and find true love for herself. Melissa lets her parents in on it and they refuse to take part in the deception.
If you notice the RC where they go from 5 to 4 and Jason takes Naomi out of the room to ask her questions and Molly looks at the other girls and says I think its me the other girls all go oh not Molly why would you say that, don’t even think that. Melissa even runs over to her and reassures her. Why would the girls have been so concerned if Molly was worried about being sent home if they weren’t in on it? You would think that they would have just said oh really Molly hmmm and be thinking good I hope it is you and not me but everybody rushed to reassure her everything was fine. Poor Molly was probably worried that she was being led on and the other girls weren’t acting after all.
I notice that RS really wants us to believe that Melissa isn’t in on it and we should feel really sorry for her. This leads me to believe that either RS is being used by ABC or RS is using us. He has to be able to see that Melissa was in on this.
I believe what RS is saying in theory. How many times do we have to hear from people who’ve been involved with the show (including Former Bach-ette) that the producers manipulated them or a situation for the sake of good television until we throw off the rose-colored glasses and realize that Fleiss jas been playing us all along??
I don’t think Manwhore Melba was necessarily in on some sort of scheme with ABC from the beginning — that’s a little too much. I think the situation probably presented itself, and ABC exploited it. I could totally see something like after Me-anna’s visit, Jason going to the producers and saying he doesn’t want to make a mistake. Maybe even asks for more time. The producers tell him to just pick someone, and they’ll make it possible for him to spend time with them both — heck, he doesn’t even have to tell he girls about it. And if he changes his mind later, then they’ll just edit around it.
Isn’t this scenario perfectly plausible? We’ve already established Jason is a major douche and a whore. And he’s also not that bright.
Now about Molly… Maybe Jason lied to her and said he broke it off with Mel. But I doubt that’s what happened. Based on her edit, she looks like she was in it to win it. I don’t think she cares how she got Jason, as long as she ended up the winner.
I’m just sayin’………
#104 – Prince What’s-his-name dated his F2 (Sadie?) for a while.
#77/#81 – Mel and Scumbag Jason spent Christmas week together (supposedly…)
To all: Reality Steve is pretty reliable. He’s been blogging The Bachelor since Andrew (I think) in a straightforward, respectful manner. I mean, he’s not a poop-stirrer.
It’s one thing for Jason to propose to the wrong one and change his mind. No big deal. IN PRIVATE, he explains it, delicately and tactfully breaks the engagement off, asks to see Molly and voila, we get the unexpected. BUT, to pretend to love one, lead her on, propose, fool around with other behind the fiancee’s back, dump her in front of the cameras and then expect us to be happy for him and #2? NO WAY!!
I for one, buy the rumor in all it’s sordid ugliness. Fleiss, OHCH (and that one breaks my heart), Jason and Molly … despicable, cruel and disgusting. They should all be ashamed of themselves.
To add more fuel to the fire someone on RS blog posted that they are a family friend of Jason’s and is claiming that Jason is still with the girl he proposed too initially….and someone who knows Melissa claims on her myspace page that she has comments that she’s engaged and happy yada yada yada so this could just be ABC totally messing with us! We’ll just have to wait and see.
could melissa be the one that broke things off and he realized that he should have picked molly and thus all the drama?
Pretty funny for a season that opened with Jason asserting confidently that when it comes to him proposing, he knows the “third time’s the charm.”
To summarize this madness, RS makes two completely separate claims:
1. J pick Mel in FR, dumps her for Mol at ATFR.
2. He was in on it with ABC “from the beginning” and had to go along with (1) for ratings bennies
–(1) plausible
–(2) not so much. What the heck is “in the beginning”?? It’s sooooo absurd that anyway “finds the ONE” after 6 weeks, let alone after 1-3 and then is able to set a media beauracracy in motion surrounding it? Again, not so plausible.
o.k,i think what RS says will happen,but that melissa was not duped,she was an actress that they hired,and promised to be the next bachlorette. they figure the world will feel sorry for her,and connect to her for ratings. they probably waited to see whom jason would fall for,and he probably knew this twist from the get go.i can’t see how else molly would go for it,let him sleepwith melissa and all? ABC needed a twist and i am sure they were well prepared with this storyline.or,maybe only jason knew that melissa was fake,which also explains why she doesn’t show her parents. maybe jason tells her right after the proposal,so ABC can get their money shot,which is why she is with him. If he did go along with this,he is a total tool,and not too bright,but i cannot see how anyone but a total animal would dupe melissa like that.
Okay…so at the end of the last episode, Chris Harrison drops the bomb that the ATFR show was taped with no audience because it’s potentially so dramatic, so emotionally intense. Other than breaking up with Melissa, what else could this describe??!!! Thoughts??
#32 Rachel, well, maybe he agreed to go along with it bc ABC said, you do it this way or you are not the Bachelor. So when faced with being on TV/fame or not doing it, he picked the former. I don’t know which one I think, but it’s definitely possible with this show/producers.
Maybe the big breakdown on the balcony is after he lets Molly go at the FR.
#42 QuittingTV, that is pretty good!
#55 DC, so you had a friend on the show? Is that how you know he for sure ends up with Molly? Are some of these girls in the know about the current state of the Bachelor/who he’s dating?
#57 Former Bach-ette – so you still can’t talk about what went on during your time on the show? Like, for the rest of your life, til your dying day?
#72 – “he is one hairy (ick) dude who has to probably comb his back.” Bwahahahaha!!!
#73 Maybe it’s in their contract that the other girls can’t point to Molly as the frontrunner, so they said Melissa or Jillian in interviews?
#94 – I remember Shayne and what’s his name saying they arranged some visits for them after the show.
#117 – “Manwhore Melba”. Love it!
#118 J – how did you hear that Melissa and manwhore spent Christmas together?
the only other thing i can think of,is jason picks melissa,not 100% at all,and after being with her not in fantasy land,sees she is wrong for him. ABC makes him break up with her on t.v,even if he doesn’t want to do it,in order for him to be able to date molly. maybe he told the producers while he was dating melissa he felt he made a mistake,and since they control everything legally,arranged molly’s meetings and told him it had to be done this way.i can’t see him being that much of a horrid man to know from the first week that he was going to lead melissa on. like someone said,it had to take awhile to even fall for molly.so either melissa was an actress,or jason really did make a mistake .
#124 – I guess ATFR #1 could describe Jason confronting Mel for dumping him for her ex fiance like #77 said. Maybe Melba was really hurt/shattered and blindsided so they decided not to have an audience. So they film it and it shows us how things transpired with Mel dumping him and hooking back up with her ex and then they bring her out to face him and he confronts her and it’s shocking and heartbreaking…blah blah. Then the next night they show us ATFR #2 where we get to see how since then, he’s hooked up with Molly and they are happy and in love…blah blah.
I love all these different theories and he said she said’s!! Do you think it is possible that they are all sitting back and laughing at how obsessed we are at trying to figure out the ending before it happens (I am TOTALLY guilty of that)?
PLEASE ABC!!! NO MELISSA FOR THE NEXT BACHELORETTE!!!! Enough of these pitiful people!
I wish someone was checking out the FORT site. They are usually super sleuths over there and have all this good scoop and posts/pictures from the contestants myspace pages. Wonder what they are saying about all this? I haven’t checked over there this season. Hate the way it is such a bitch to navigate!
Can’t you just hear Jason explaining the current situation with Melissa…..”Her and I aren’t getting married.”
From FORT:
Melissa has been seen around Dallas with her ex. I personally know for an absolute fact this to be true. My Aunt is an optomologist in Dallas and knows many of the people in Melissa’s circles. Ask anyone that knows the in crowd and club scene in Dallas, they all know Melissa is back with her ex.
And think about why ABC would close a set for the final rose part 2. Makes sense since this is a very sensitive issue and a possible PR nightmare for The Bachelor.
suddenly DeAnna letting Jason drop to his knee while he starts to propose seems a lot less sinister, huh?
I actually hope someone duped RS and Melissa and Jason are happily engaged. And I regret looking at the spoilers – but I just couldn’t help myself.
My understanding from what I have read from Reality Steve is that he knows Jeremy (#3 from DeAnna’s season) — they both live in Dallas I believe. A lot of these contestants/participants form friendships and pal around together and get the scoop on each others shows.
Jeremy is now dating a Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader…who likely knows Mel. All these people ended up together (not Reality Steve, but he got the scoop) in Colorado with Jesse (DeAnna’s #1) and his new gf … a former contestant on (I can’t remember which season) of the show. ABC/Bachelor was there filming the reunion (probably for the upcoming the Women Tell All episode. OHCH said in the promos that we would be catching up with former participants). Reality Steve was the first to post said photos on his site, which were subsequently printed in People magazine. This shows that he does have a source close to the action and they are trustworthy.
If what RS said is true…and I think it is…ABC will be trying to edit like mad to put a positive spin on this.
Please someone correct me if I’m wrong, but did not OHCH say early on in his blog that it was VERY apparent to everyone from the beginning who Jason had a connection to and they were all cheering them on? Logically then if we follow the current edit, Mel is clearly the one. However, if AFRC2 Jason ends up with Molly, well then we know that ABC and PTB were playing with us the whole time and RS is right. Since Jason knew who he wanted, why would he end up with the other girl unless they scripted and manipulated the whole thing? I know that they edit the show to give us a storyline and keep us in suspense — often deliberately putting us on the wrong scent — I expect that. I don’t watch the show for the reality, but for the absurdity of it all…and I admit…in the futile, romantic hope that someone might actually fall in love and LAST, but for them to so totally screw with us, well that really ticks me off!!!
Has anyone considered Melissa broke it off with Melba and the second AFRC2 is him asking Molly for a second chance? It seems that would explain the logical scenario RS presented without all of the drama and unconfirmed speculation. This allows everyone to save face and fulfill a happy ending with nobody hurt. Mel got what she wanted, Jason sought Molly and Molly agreed. Sounds like the next chick movie I’ll have to take my wife to.
I’m still having a hard time getting my head around the concept that anyone would pick Molly. But of course I’m a girl – what do I know about hot?
LOL #131 Alicia!!!
Here’s the story I heard from the cousin of Melissa ex. IDK how true it is, but it makes sense!!
Melissa ad Jason were engaged, but SHE broke up with him. She is now back with her ex in Dallas, and Jason is now dating Molly.
Melissa was seen out at the club in Downtown Dallas not too long ago kissing another guy.
Who knows how credible this source really is, but this is what I heard, and it makes a lot more sense than RS and anyone else’s “theory.”
119- I know for a fact Melissa is not with Jason. Melissa is not engaged, but there are rumors that her ex may be proposing in the not too far off future
123 – not an actress, sorry to kill that conspiracy theory
132- I can confirm that, 100%
There is a comment on RS website from someone who lives in Molly’s hometown. There is a small airport near her hometown (not Grand Rapids, where normally someone would fly in) and the captain announced on the flight at the small airport that they had a “celebrity” on board with them today; TB Jason Mesnick. This was during Christmas.
So maybe they started seeing one another after Mel got back with her ex (supposedly during Christmas as well)? Or it was just one of his many trips since the finale to see Molly.
#138, I heard that too. That seems to be the story that she is telling. Sooo, I’m not really sure which story is real. There is the possibility that she is trying to save face with her ex? I can’t say for sure either way on this one.
Though, there is the possibility that both may be somewhat true…the scheme was in place for him to dump her…Melissa obviously has to know something is not *right*…making it easy for her to fall back with her ex…so about the same time that she starts getting really suspicious she decides she is going to just end it herself with Jason. And ABC gets wind of this and rushes to have the emergency ATFR before she can end it, but she was going to end it anyways. The reports of her breaking down at the ATFR could be true because even if she was going to end it this whole mess was still incredibly emotionally traumatic and embarrasing.
I totally beleive that this whole thing was fabricated – why else would we have such an obvious ‘foreshadow’ dramatic event such as Duhanna coming back and warning him about chosing the right one. AND, who was it that asked him about selecting the wrong one during a date?? Ooooo… nice job ABC. Too bad the jig is up!!
I just pulled this from the comments in the EW blog:
Steve, come on, you are planting this. You brother, Jason Carbone, is a producer for NBC’s “The Bachelor”. Either you are throwing your broseph under the bus, or you are being paid to plant inaccurate information for a ratings boost
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Who knows. I have a bit of a hard time believing that the no-crying allowed, “I’m a winner!”, aggressive Molly would be okay with being anyone’s 2nd choice.
What about this… Jason can’t decide in 6 weeks which one he wants, Mel or Mol. This is a huge decision, because this is Ty’s future stepmom. ABC tells him, we need an engagement, so flip a coin and give us a proposal. We will allow you to keep seeing your final 2 until you can make a decision. If you stay with proposal girl, we will get our wedding and finally have a Bachelor success story, If you go with F2, we will still spin it into a success story.
Jason proposes to Mel… the Seattle stepmom life is not for her, so they part (whose decision? Who cares? It would play much better for TB if Mel dumps him). If Mel is with her ex, she won’t want to be the next B-ette, so she can dump away (on national TV?), and we have poor Jason hurt ONCE AGAIN, and we are so ready to see Mol come in and save our Melba! Wow, ABC wins both ways.
My only question is, does the show end with Melissa thinking she is engaged, and Molly is sneaking weekends with Melba Manwhore, or do the girls know that the dating continues until Jason decides?
We may never know the truth about this season, but it sure is fun to guess! Can’t wait to see how Lincee breaks it down. AND I’M SO GLAD she is a stronger person than me, resisting the spoilers. Now we will see a genuine reaction to the finale and ATFR1&2.
Only question,
…sorry Alicia, “stronger person than I”
I don’t know how crediable this source is, but my husbands mothers cousins friend knows a girls that knows the girl that cuts Melissa hair in Dallas. She said the big shocker is neither of them are engaged to Jason. Since the show ended Melissa and Molly are now together and trying to adopt a baby!! The last thing I heard is that they are buying a house together and Jillian is going to be their interior designer. I don’t know about you but I invision silver stars and golf balls!! How crazy is that?!?! I for one totally believe this!!!
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#142 Biz – I totally agree!
I notice that a lot of girls go back to their ex – that sucks. I think they come out of this process needing a self esteem boost (did not get picked – must not be “____” enough) and when their ex calls, they get back with them. I hope that is not what happened with Mel, especially since her friends said all her boyfriends suck.
No matter what is shown on the “private” shoot we will never really know the truth, since ABC will put any spin on it that they want.
Question for former bach’ettes: How long does that gag order last anyway? Can you write a tell all book 2 years later? Write memoirs, lol!
The plot thickens! If you go to page 978 of the “RS Predictions” thread on FORT, there is a post by someone who claims to know what really happened.
Short version is: In NZ, Mel asked to leave b/c she and her ex bf had gotten back together. TPTB ask her instead to accept the FR. She’s under no obligation to date Jason. Eventually he’s going to pick the one he wants anyway, who is Molly. Mel wants to be famous, so she accepts, because she’s promised to look good. Everyone’s supposed to look good. Her parents get wind and want no part. Their HTD is deleted, and they do the reshoot with her friends after the FRC. The ATRC1 is taped on a closed set b/c they do *3* versions. RS gets wind of the one where J dumps Mel. But they also do one where it’s the reverse and one where they mutually agree to break it off.
I don’t know how true this all is, but it’s definitely believable, and fits with RS’s theories. It also makes J a *little* less of a d-bag, but ultimately still means we’ve ALL been played by Fleiss and TPTB.
#144 That would make sense but why MUST they have an engagement? Why can’t they let it play out like Charlie’s season where he said he had feelings for both…It would be even more understandable with Jason since there is a child involved. They date outside in the real world and once the decision becomes clearer, he picks one. They film the whole thing, present at AFRC (a la Charlie) and then do another follow up to show how they are all doing. Still the same number of shows and still dramatic…not to mention more realistic…and best of all fans actually get to see the true love story. Here I do not see the connection with Molly at ALL. If you take out that first over night camping date and the fact that he thinks she is a good kisser, their whole relationship feels false. Plus if he had such a clear, strong connection with one from the start, why would he then end up with the other one?
The spin now seems to be Mel dumps him just after Christmas in the AFRC#1, but if that is the case why not edit the show to more of a connection with him and Molly? The biggest thing they are doing is playing up the lack of family support from her parents and her apparent instability — can’t pick a good man. Seems to be heading to the edit that she dumps him because she just doesn’t want a decent man like Jason and he comes out smelling (pun intented) like a rose. RS said he feels very sorry for her because she gets blindsided and now apparently she is edited to be the bad guy since Jason and ABC/PTB can’t seem to be responsible.The whole thing just feels very forced and I am dying to know just how they are going to turn this all around.
#146 Candy – Your’s is my favorite and definitely the most believeable yet
#136 = I totally agree.
Does anyone out there like Molly? I don’t know that I’ve read any comments in which someone was a fan of Molly. I was so sure that the final 2 would be Jillian (love her!) and Melissa (meh, whatever).
I really don’t understand why he thinks she’s so great. She’s freaky looking, fake personality, and seriously needs to cut the cord with her family. Time to grow up, sweety. However, she is 24, so I guess I should cut her a break.
#148 Cerena:
“In NZ, Mel asked to leave b/c she and her ex bf had gotten back together.” The only way this can be true is if she and her ex-boyfriend got back together telepathically, since the girls don’t have contact with their friends and family while they are going through this process, so that cannot be true.
#146 Candy:
LOL! I totally agree — and since Melissa’s in Dallas, I think she was also the second gunman who actually shot JFK from the grassy knoll…
#151 – Other than two posters on FORT, I have yet to see anyone express love for Molly. I just don’t think she’s that likeable. And, sadly, I think they probably edited her in the most favorable light possible. Honestly, though, I don’t like Manwhore Melba either. I liked him during Deanna’s season, but I think now they just edited him better. With so much exposure during his own season, we’re finally seeing the real Melba, and he’s not that great. JMHO…
#152 – LOL. Wasn’t my theory! I’m just reporting what someone on FORT claims to “know.” If that’s not possible, then that pretty much shoots down everything that person said.
Let’s all remember that Molly is a “Winner!” – she is very competetive and would probably go along with any scenario that has her “winning” in the end and not crying in the limo. I am sure that their relationship will not last long – at least not when they hear all of this criticism about what they have done.
Cerena & Shopgirl… didn’t Former Bach-ette say that many of the girls snuck cell phones and calls from the hotel room, against the rules? Mel was in Dallas for the HTD, and I’m not sure how long she was there without Jason, so perhaps there was a chance to meet, or at least talk to, her ex. That’s certainly not as far-fetched as some of the scenarios we are contemplating!
Candy, yours is my fave. And the chain of custody on that story…priceless!
Molly has been living back in Milwaukee, WI for 2 months now . She is not flying out of Michigan.
Are we sure it is Molly that he picks instead of Mellisa? It could be someone that he has already has let go. Remember his reaction to Jillian.
156: I can almost guarantee you Melissa didn’t have time to see her ex during her hometown stay. Though I can’t rule out that phone calls could have been made.
One other thing some one mentioned earlier, Jason is with the girl he proposed to initially. Well that would be Jillian. He “proposed” on the General Hospital date.
I don’t have the time to go over all the posts, but what I CAN tell you is that Mel *IS* back with her ex. Why, I don’t know, as wasn’t that supposed to be a bad relationship? I’m pretty sure it’s the same guy her friends all panned, saying he never wanted to go out with her, etc. Alas, they are together, which seems to be a sad trend of all former girls. Goes to show you MOST of the girls on the show are completely on the rebound. Hell, didn’t half of them tell him they had only slept with one guy?
Speaking of which, what’s with calling the Himbo a man whore? How many of you would pick a spouse if you haven’t already slept with them? You have to know what you’re getting into, literally and figuratively. The hottest girls on the show could very well be cold fish in bed. And I can tell any of you that you DON’T want that.
I love the nickname “manwhore melba”.
This show has a 0-12 record. NONE of the contestants stay together long term. No one is looking for ‘love’ or marriage. They are all there to be on TV.
In the first few seasons maybe some could be excused for thinking that it was a real show, but by now all of the girls know that it is all about drama and good television.
Melissa knew what she was doing when she signed up for this.
It doesn’t excuse ABC, but it is really not that unexpected.
………
speaking of which, this is really not the super-shocking ending that OHCH is always alluding to. It is pretty much what Lorenzo did sans cheating. I expected one of the girls to be his EX, or maybe an unknown realtive.
“No, I can not accept that rose, I am actually your half-sister”
THAT would be dramatic.
TX MRK – yes, it would be fun to see the reaction of someone that hadn’t read the spoilers ahead of time, but I bet Lincee finds out before then by accident somehow.
#148 Cerena – excellent digging up of FORT info! I was only got to page 766 last night and had to crash.
134 Sprite – Are said photos still up on RS’ site?
I personally went on the show because I thought it would be a cool experience – the being on tv part actually scared me because I knew I was putting my reputation in the hand of the producers, but alas, I went for it anyways. The falling in love prospect was like an added bonus. I went into it thinking it would be a once in a lifetime opportunity and if the stars aligned, the rooster crowed, and the groundhog saw his shadow…i could potentially meet someone that I would “fall for.” (and if it really did happen, what an awesome story that would be!). So I knew the odds were 99/1 against it resulting in the ever elusive “true love.”
I would also say that the vast majority of the girls on my season (or at least the ones who I got to know) felt the same way. I remember standing there with a bunch of the girls waiting for the limo to go meet the bachelor and thinking “wow, these girls all seem to be pretty normal!” And this surprised me because I’d always viewed the girls as being pretty coo-coo (of course, now I know why). Though, this is not to say we didn’t have our prerequisite allotment of crazies!
All of us should get together a Manwhore Melba party for tea and crumpets.
My theory is that in the emotionally difficult and private ATFR2 they are staging an intervention for Jason to stop proposing to people
#164 Sher — I’m not sure if they are still there as I only viewed them the once as I was going through his site. I would assume that they are but you would have to wade through a lot of stuff…the poor guy didn’t know what he was letting himself in for. I would try finding them through the People website because I checked there to see if they were the same pictures and they were.
RS website is temporarily disabled…
#167 lb17, I love it!
It’s a good thing I have an office door I can close. It took me all of 90 minutes to cave and come here to read all the horrible details.
While not what I expected, I have to say I’m not surpised. I hope it’s wrong that Jason intentionally hurt Mel for the sake of who know’s what. I can see the producers saying you do it our way or else.
I have not had time to read through all the comments yet, so I apoligize if someone has already brought this up. The show is fixed, we are starting to find that out. Let’s go back to Brad. He turfs them both at the end. Deanna is The Bachelorette, she turfs Jason who becomes the Bachelor. What if that was the plan all along? You can’t tell me this whole mess “just happened”.
Ok now I do need to go back to work.
Thx Sprite!
#169 – I noticed that, too…what Happened to the RS Website? I just looked at You Tube and the videos are still posted so maybe his site just crashed.
Reality Steve website is disabled now. ??
#162 – AMEN!! Why do we all forget that NONE of the Bachelor couples have ever ended up married. These contestants (sorry Former-Bachette!) go on the show to be on TV! So, if Jason dumps Mel for Molly, Mel dumps Jason for ex, etc – we know whoever from the show is together now likely won’t be in 6 months!!
Watever part ABC has in this dramatic conspiracy, one thing I’m sure of is they made sure any dumping would play out on tv. Remember Brad Womack dumping both Deanna & other girl, remember Jen Sheft not picking Jerry (still think he was the hottest contestant ever!!! w/Graham being a close 2nd!) in her finale, and then bringing him back for the ATFR, and still dumping him?! I think that it’s a bit far fetched that RS’s theory is 100%, but there’s likely some truth in it somewhere. No matter the truth of who dumped who & why, ABC will make sure the drama of dumping, reconciliation, etc all plays out on air … and I can’t wait!!
One last thing, #52 ab3 – Shannon is a crazy STALKER!! I don’t care what she posts on her myspace or says in an exit interview – that girl is One Flew Over the Coo Coo’s nest NUTS!
yea, lincee!
boundaries are awesome!
#175 Love this Shiz – we must have the same taste. I TOTALLY agree w you that Jerry was the hottest contestant EVER and Graham a close second! I like your name too! Anyone got any scoop on those boys? Former Bach-ette?
Can Jillian get her own dress line? Did y’all see her on Ellen yesterday? She is the cutest thing!
Jerry is hot. I think Charlie from Trista’s season is uber hot too. Graham is hot but a distant third.
1. Charlie M
2. Jerry
3. Graham
Ai-chee-waa waaaa
I live in the same city as Jillian and I gather she gets a lot of her clothes from Aritzia in Vancouver.
Former Bache-ette: I hear a lot of things about other girls from the show saying things didn’t go down the way they were shown to on television. Is all of it really ABC being deceptive? Or are there really times that these girls are trying to save face? Do you know of times girls have tried to say it was just the way it was edited when you’ve known the truth?
I’m just trying to figure out how credible ABC is vs some of the girls who have been made to look like looney tunes on the show. I’m SURE that ABC manipulates the edits. I’m just curious as to how seriously we should take it when someone from the show is saying it didn’t go down the way it was shown.
p.s. We’re all so glad you’re here! You give us so much insight!
I can’t believe how crazy people are getting over this conspiracy theory. Did people really watch this for the love story? I’m not really shocked by any of the stories floating around. I’m just hoping to see some good drama go down. That’s what I tune in for.
And thank you- Shannon was a wackadoodle.
181, first, awe thanks
As for your question … I think it’s hard to generalize. Yes you have girls who go on the show for the “fame” and are willing to make spectacles of themselves to stay there longer (though I’ve always questioned why I would want to be famous for being a lunatic? hmmm, that’s another question… 
I had a girl tell me point blank that she was ok with that (to which I responded with “huh??”). But I would say that the majority of the girls are rather normal and don’t quite know what they are getting themselves into. Yes we have heard of the editing, we just didn’t know of the extent of the outright manipulation. It is sooo easy to get wrapped up in the hype and the producers make you feel like you are the star – they make you want to please them.
I bet there are several girls who are trying to save face – because I remember watching them do some of the things they did thinking “they are going to regret that later!” Yes they were prodded (sometimes pretty forcefully) to do it, but in the end they could not force you to do something you don’t want to do or say something you don’t want to say. At that point it is up to you to take responsibility for your actions and realize that you need to be extra careful with your words and actions because you know that they will become fodder for thepost-production.
That said, there are absolutely many times where the editing is very deceptive – remember the interview with the producer? For example, there was one girl with some alone with the Bachelor and they made it look like there was zero conversation or chemistry – they basically made her look like a dead fish. But, unbeknownst to the viewers, there was a lot of back and forth conversation, as well as several drunken, sloppy make-out attempts by the bachelor that she rejected. Eventually he just passes out in her lap. Of course, none of this was shown and she is left looking like a (to quote the producer) “stone cold bi*&#”
I agree with whoever said that there was something up ABC’s sleeve because I totally remember them showing him propose to a girl in a blue dress with dark hair!! I couldn’t figure out why they would do that?? I knew something was up…. interesting.
I realize this has absolutely nothing to do with spoilers, but I had the sudden urge to say it…
Pineapple.
#133 OH MY GOSH, HI-LAR-I-OUS…
Totally bugs me, the incorrect english.
Pineapple, indeed. If these rumors, speculations, and guesses are true I vow to curse ABC to high heaven. I heart the show so much that I don’t know if I can swear off it, but I will be tempted. Do you hear that ABC?! If you pull a bait and switch and I find out you had anything to do with it I may find myself without Bachelor to look forward to. And Jillian, if you are out there, you got screwed. You were my favorite from hot dog day 1. Maybe I just like the gal who throws in the food reference on day 1, as I also got a kick out of the talking muffin joke of Tess a couple of seasons ago. Go figure…
Whew .. it took a while to read all of the posts. Reading through all of them, and having had some time to think…..
If Jason does dump Mel at the ATFR, as opposed to before it airs, then he is the biggest dirtbag they have ever had on the show. If Mel was “played” then I hope she has a good lawyer and gets a huge settlement because the producers were guilty of fraud. I can’t see ABC opening themselves up to that.
If however it comes out as:
- The “happy” couple appears on ATFR, announces they have split up
- OHCH then says Jason and Molly are together and will be on ATFR Part 2
ABC could spin that and it wouldn’t make everyone invlolved look so bad.
Former Bach-ette, I always enjoy your posts. Thanks for sharing your experiences and for your behind the scenes info. You sound like you have a lot of class and deserve better than this show.
Here is the link to watch Jillian on Ellen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiwb43CFNx4
There are two many conflicting theories for me to lose too much sleep: 1. Mel dumps Jason for her ex 2. Jason dumps Mel for Molly 3. Jason and Molly are in on this plot to completely destroy Mel’s self-esteem for the rest of her life
Didn’t OHCH say on his blog that he knows about the conspiracies, and they are wrong?
If Jason dumps Melissa on air, that is WAY too Jerry Springer for me. I will be done with the Bachelor.
#175- I agree, Shannon was a wackadoo. I just think her interview helps explain a little, and makes her appear a little more normal. I never liked her to begin with, I just think it is interesting how she said that she did not accept the rose and ABC retaped it to make it look like Jason didn’t hand out the rose. Because in interviews, he said he didn’t hand out the rose because he didn’t want to lead anyone on, when in fact, one of the bachelorettes rejected the rose. It just goes to show, ABC is deceptive and makes things appear different just for the sake of drama and ratings.
I live south of Grand Rapids and there is a recently-changed billboard on northbound US131, the main highway into town. It says “Jason: I just wanted to write you a ‘little’ note to tell you congratulations! Talk to you soon
Tracie”
Who pays for a billboard to write someone a note? Interesting that it is directed to a Jason while there is a finalist from Grand Rapids on the snow. Although, I don’t know who “Tracie” might be.
Could all be cooincidence…
I have been spending way too much time on the comments and research, but am anxious to hear what it up. If any of this is true, ABC has no credibility in my mind and Jason really is a Manwhore and the girls are selling themselves short to be used on a TV show for ratings. Bah…
I was telling my sis (a total non-Bachelor addict, go figure) about this most SHOCKING finale ever and she said well of course….it’s Sleepless in Seattle! And I said…what do you mean? And she said: Don’t you remember ANYTHING? Meg Ryan is engaged to the really nice guy who she’s not in love with, and she realizes it and breaks the engagement and goes to meet the one she’s really supposed to be with? And the dumped fiance is okay with it all because he realizes that she really loves the other guy and not him and he wants someone to feel about him the same way that Meg Ryan feels about Tom Hanks and not to be second choice? And what’s so sordid about that, she said? That movie was a BLOCKBUSTER
Ok – are we sure that Mel gets dumped for Molly? Before I got suckered into RS’s commentary, I schemed this: Jason chooses Mel, but says he can’t propose until he meets her parents. So they go to the ATRC #1, discuss their relationship. Then, there’s an ATRC#2 where parents show up, Jason proposes officially. I guess in my romantic heart, I’m hoping it’s a happy ending, not some ugly, contrived love fake.
All I have to say is if all this scripted stuff is true, then I’m done with the BS because it is just that – b.s. Lincee – you will just have to find something else to blog!
What’s this “exit interview” with Shannon? Anyone have a link?
maybe the 2nd aftershow is Molly and Jason’s private wedding ceremony! (yes she is living and working in milw but she could have gone home and he flew to meet her there)
#191, I can assure you that Mel is NOT the one who ends up with Jason in the end – regardless of how it goes down She’s back with her ex b/f.
To all, I know one of this season’s girls pretty well. She was voted off early on. (I’m sure former bach-ette will disagree, but she’s not impartial here.) The way they showed THIS girl was DEAD ON. I know she was very upset with how they supposedly portrayed her. She did a lot of spin and damage control. But, the fact is that she is immature, is very insecure, is very catty, is NOT over her ex-b/f (like apparently most of the girls who have gotten back together with their ex’s), does NOT have a lot of relationship or motherhood experience. I think what happens is that they don’t like seeing the truth. It hurts.
196: catty, immature, insecure…yep, I bet your friend was a first round draft pick for the producers! If they come in that way there is less work to try to make them act that way! haha Oh, I know there are girls like that on the show (we had several, but they left pretty early – those types are usually always gone by F6 at the latest).
I would say that for the most part our season had a fairly “low drama” group of girls though, as compared to other seasons. In fact, I heard through the grapevine that after our show the producers vowed to make sure they didn’t make that mistake again (I got a laugh out of that
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Ever think that maybe Melissa is the one who broke things off with Jason during the “seperation period”? Maybe he dumps her after being cheated on? I’m telling you…there is something more to this!! Melissa says that she is always the “dumpee”…could there possibly be a reason for that? Perhaps she is always screwing the men in her life over. Who knows. All I’m saying is that if Melissa ends up being not so innocent in the end I won’t be surprised. Maybe Molly takes Jason back after she finds out that Melissa has crushed him. Of course this is all speculation just like everything else…I’m sure ABC is having a great time watching all of this unfold…and they will surely have the ratings that they anticipate!
#193: Here’s the interview I read: http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/exclusive-shannon-bair-dishes-about-her-time-on-the-bachelor-8361.php
Personally I think it’s just spin. Who wouldn’t try to make yourself look less psychotic after that train wreck?? I don’t blame her, but really, she did act crazy and there is no way those scenes could have been altered. She said what she said- and thank goodness ABC showed it so we could all have a good laugh.
I have a hard time believing Melissa would initiate the breakup. From what we have seen she has such low self esteem and I could totally see her willing to stick it out with Jason, at least for several months/until the show is over, and even if alarm bells are going off in her head…
I’m trying to decide if I believe Shannon really didn’t accept the rose. Do you guys buy that? Even if she wasn’t into him, why wouldn’t she accept it just to stick around and hang out in the house longer/be on the show? Former Bach-ette, do girls generally want to stick around? Is it fun/worth it even if you weren’t into the guy, or no?
Are people even reading the comments before they post? I mean no offense but a lot of the speculation that people are posting has already been posted …its the same stuff OVER AND OVER AGAIN. “Are you sure its Mel that gets dumped?” or “Are we sure its not Jillian” or “Maybe Mel dumped Jason”….
junoesq! I think you are genius! That is exactly what is going on here!!!
former Bachette! I love your comments and always look for them. You should totally start a blog. I would be a faithful reader!
200: I buy it -hook, line and sinker. I can’t answer this question for everyone, but personally I wanted out of there as soon as I concluded that the bachelor wasn’t my dreamboat. I had a job I needed to get back to that was more important to me than being used and abused on the set of some reality show. I know it’s hard to beat being crammed into one bedroom with 6 other girls, sharing the same bathroom, getting drug out of bed to come “welcome home” some girl who just got back from a date, being woken up at crack of dawn and being forced to talk until you’re blue in the face about some dude you barely know while cut off from your friends and family…but even something that fun gets old fast
I’m sure that many girls wanted to stick around just for the heck of it – it just totally depends on your situation and intention in going on the show. My intention wasn’t to start a career in showbiz, but I’m sure some girls want that (because you know that most serious acting careers got their start on some joke reality show).
However, there is also the competition element that makes girls want to stay – just to win. But in my opinion trading 6 weeks of your life (hello, all your vacay time is gone, for like, ever!) and quite probably your reputation, in exchange for the chance to be the 25th reject rather than the 5th reject, doesn’t exactly constitute a “win.”
Oh, and another reason I believe Shannon is that I heard that from another source before I even heard it from her. And it jives with her strangely calm exit interview. (If you were anything like me I was bracing myself for a complete meltdown!)
ps #202, thanks!
Hi, Former Bach-ette, I’ve enjoyed reading your insights as well and agree with another poster who said that I would totally read any blog that you write!
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Is your experience under lock and key for the rest of your life, according to your contract, or will you be able to be completely candid at some point in time without worrying about retribution from the network. I guess hearing little tidbits from you has made me even more curious about what really goes on behind the scenes.
After seeing a link that someone posted a while back with still photos from TB and other reality programs I just had to grimace every time Jason or one of the girls referenced “being alone” on the last episode. As in, “NZ is just so beautiful, and it was wonderful to be there, just the two of us.” HAHA! You mean, besides the camera man and the mic man, etc. What was it like for you, trying to be yourself and have a regular conversation with TB knowing there was a camera and mic following your every move? Wasn’t it extremely awkward??
Former Bach-ette, I would definitely read your blog as well! Thanks for the inside scoop you have been giving the IHGB readers!
I live in Dallas and I’m out and about all the time. I’ve seen Melissa out a couple of times. Once just her and another guy at dinner. The other time she was out with two guys and a girl (not the same guy, I saw the first time). She seemed happy and like she was doing fine. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out!
Former Bach-ette, I also enjoy your insight and agree that there are probably a number of girls who go on this show that are normal, or some close version, after all everyone has their issues. However, that nut job Shannon was NOT one of them. I don’t believe a word that comes out of that girl’s mouth. I’m shocked the producers didn’t keep security on set for Jason b/c she was such a freak show. She literally frightened me! There is no amount of editing that can make someone look that crazy. She was Glenn Close style & then some if you know what I mean?!
Further, there have been a bachelorette or two (?) that have turned down a rose, which in Shannon’s case, would have been more drama than her getting rejected. It was no shock to me she wasn’t sticking around after she snotted all over Jason, so I don’t think it was dramatic that Jason didn’t hand out all the roses that night. Of course ABC edits things, but I don’t buy Shannon’s cheap story, no matter the source of the info. Regardless of how it happened, we were all spared from having to see her crazy eyes google over Jason anymore, and now get to experience some real drama!
Thx Former Bach-ette. Great answer complete w humor and everything. The details are fascinating. Def not as glamorous as the show makes it appear, that’s for sure! I’d wanna get the hell out of there too if the dude wasn’t worth it. All I was picturing was having cocktails, hanging around at the pool, gossiping with the girls and going on group dates w a hot guy…ha! I’m not naïve or anything!
Damn you peer-pressure!!!***Imaginary fist waving in the air***
Now I’m all bummed…and on a Friday no-less! I think they (ABC Producers) purposely pick sadistic, self absorbed, nut jobs for that show. Seriously…even the normal ones would probably seem like wack-o’s when compared to us regular joes. But it all makes for good t.v. and high ad sales. We all have to have something to watch until “Mad Men” comes back on.
That being said…I think this show just makes us all glad that “real dating” is nothing like this. Don’t get me wrong…I’ve had some doozies…but at least I’m not being humiliated on national t.v. I thought the editing on Jillian’s last night was scandalous and I feel SO SORRY for her. I’m glad she’s not mixed up in all the mess.
#209 – True – I second that – “Mad Men” fan here!
Former Bach-ette: sorry, we seem to be hammering you with questions today! I’m wondering if you have ever said that the version of the ending that you heard is the same as Reality Steve’s version. There is a lot of skepticism around his story but I thought you had tipped us off a while back that it was “dirty with a capital D”. Do you agree with his story?
Have the FORTers found anything new out? You know they are over there hard at work sleuthing. Some of those people should consider a change in careers!
I too have an optimistic soul and am hanging on (albeit by a shoestring) to the belief that it’s not as nasty as RS makes it out to be.
I was thinking maybe it was Melissa realized during the break that she still loved her ex and got back with him and SHE dumped JASON. But ABC being ABC wants it all dramatic and makes them all do the dumping and reconnecting on national television.
My poor optomistic little soul just can’t BUY that they did this on purpose – destroy someone this way for ratings. That’s just not jiving with me. And as for making MELISSA the next bachelorette? HELLO? SHE’S ENGAGED? Melissa’s back with her ex, engaged to be married and HAPPY? THAT SOUND LIKE SOMEBODY THAT GOT DUMPED ON NATIONAL TV 3 WEEKS AGO? Not to ME it doesn’t. THAT sounds like somebody that DUMPED THE BACHELOR for her ex. Her REAL true love. I’m thinking going on this show made her and the ex realize just how REAL what they had was.
SO – the bachelor goes for choice number 2, who ain’t so bad after all. It makes sense to me. If he was all over the television late last year about how “Happy” he was? Maybe he WAS! Maybe they hadn’t broken up yet because Mel was still just “talking” to the ex and not “dating” the ex yet. Maybe JASON is the sap in this story and not the ‘baddie’ you’re making him out to be.
That’s What I think. I choose to believe that there is no conspiracy, that it’s just a couple crazy kids changed their minds. And Fleiss being Fleiss? Decided to cash in on it. Backfired BIG time ole boy!
#190 – Damn! Why didn’t any of us pick up on the Sleepless With Seattle similarity?? That has been the obvious theme all season (down to the house they rented for Manwhore Melba). Figures Fleiss would carry it through all the way!
“in” Seattle. Oops
Anita I have to say I agree with you completely…sounds very plausible. I never really thought Melissa seemed into him anyway…yeah she had the fake tears on one of the episodes but everyone did that night (I think they were just all PMSing at the same time) but in general I never saw true emotion from her like I saw from Jillian on the last episode. I think none of us paid attention to that fact b/c we were so obsessed with the fact that Jason was attempting to hold himself back from raping them everytime he was near them.
#113 Pittkrew, YES!! The fact that ABC showed such detailed shots of the Final Rose Ceremony from the start is what really leads me to believe they had something along these lines planned from early on.
Former Bach-ette: Thank you very much for giving us some of the insight to what really happens in reality tv. I’ve heard that the final two have handlers with them until the final rose ceremony is aired. Is this true and if so, do they go with them to work, monitor their calls and email? I’m just wondering about some of the info I’ve heard and if it is possible to have happened the way I heard.
sooooo, i understand that it is scripted reality and all BUT i was hoping that the contestant could at least make his own decision in the end. my husband jokes on me for watching the show because IT NEVER WORKS he says to me over and over again. so why were trista and ryan so lucky?
OMG!! OMG!!
I was unable to watch the show Monday night but have been watching it in bits and pieces every evening and reading all the comments and RS blog……….
I just finished watching very intently and Melissa’s pinky ring is on her right hand pinky finger not her left. I checked from the time they were on Winston Churchill’s boat, to the thing they called a “hot tub” to dinner to them going to the fantasy suite and it was on her right hand the entire time. We all know that the engagement ring goes on the left hand not the right so is this just another ploy to throw us off?
I seriously seriously hope all these rumors are just that–rumors and they have not purposely duped us. If so, I am DONE DONE DONE with The Bachelor. Yesterday as I was watching the previews for the final episode and saw the connection he shares with Melissa, I teared up at the thought that he was fooling her the enitre time.
why would melissa be back with her ex. it was made very clear that melissa’s ex dumped her, so it would not be her choice to go back with him. and that her exs were more involved with hanging out with the guys and being single than being in a relationship. also melissa’s friends said her ex and exs are not someone worth being with.
i don’t think we can complain about what happens in this show, even though it is suppose to be a “reality” show I think they have been playing us for years.
Any way you slice it, I wouldn’t be okay with my man playing tonsil hockey (or more!) with other women while trying to decide “who is the one for him”. Sorry to be hard on the girls, but I think they can all do better than Jason- yes, even McStalky. He’s in the shallow end of the classy gene pool. And poor Ty having this tied into his identity for years to come. Blech.
#221 – yoduh – I don’t think it is that unbelievable for Melissa to be back with her ex. Lots of people get back together with exs. From what they have shown of Melissa, it appears her self-esteem is pretty low too, so wouldn’t shock me at all for her to get back together with a loser her friends didn’t like who had previously dumped her. If they were really together for 7 years, I’m guessing some strong feelings existed there at some point.
What I don’t get is how Molly would accept sloppy seconds! Have a little pride.
Just found this site and have been reading your well thought out posts. The flow here is very nice.
I too have been suspicious since first realizing that the “proposal hand” seemed to be Melissa’s.
That was way too obvious for ABC to show that in the beginning so I thought something must
be up.
I wanted to point this out and see if anyone here noticed and agrees. When Melissa and Jason were
with her friends’ house at the dinner table talking, did that scene seem strange to anyone else? I found
myself thinking how unreal they were acting and not at all like normal true friends would act. First I
found it very odd that her friends had never met her parents nor her ex’s. Even Jason looked as if
he was questioning much of what they said.
The guy friend kept bringing up the fact about Melissa having boyfriends who were not interested in her
friends or just hanging out with them as a group. He emphasized this three maybe four times during their table chat. I remember thinking why does he keep bringing that up, instead why not say more positive things about Melissa. I didn’t feel the love that close friends in that group that usually shows among your friends who truly care.
Also the way she told Jason about her parents refusing to be on tv seemed contrived. I didn’t feel any emotion from her and she seemed to be acting a part. I am not saying that Melissa was a plant but that the hometown visit was where something seemed amiss with Melissa. From what I have seen on the show, which is all we really have to base our opinions on, the theory about Melissa wanting to leave at F4 and the producers somehow enticing her to stay makes the most sense to me.
I found the hometown date with Melissa really strange as well. Her friends really threw her under the bus. I was embarrassed for her when they kept bringing up her failed relationships, bad taste in guys, etc. I’m guessing that ABC just edited the heck out of that date, which is why it seemed so disjointed. Hard to say what they were trying to show though until we see the end of the season.
Melissa is not with Jason
Melissa and Jason spent the weekend in LA together
Production called about moving up the ATFR
Jason dumps Melissa @ AFTR
Melissa is devastated
Melissa was devastated
Melissa is seen with an ex, (If you believe she dated only one guy forever, I have a bridge … ) NO substantiation about an engagement – payback to producers for the blindside?
Based on 227’s post (just sayin), Jason is a total tool.
227 – just sayin – what do you mean “If you believe she dated only one guy forever, I have a bridge … “? Sorry if the caffeine just hasn’t kicked in yet and it is clear to everyone else. Thanks!
Uh, nope, #229, not just you.
I’m clueless, too.
Clarity, #227?
I think #227 means that she would like to sell you Brooklyn Bridge, if you are gullible enough to believe that Melissa has only ever dated one guy . . .
Thanks, Junoesq!
i agree with #222, everyone that says “they will sware of TB” and shame on ABC and ohch- they have their jobs just like we do and part of their job is to entertain us and by reading this blog and many others ,obviously , we have all been entertained- there is NO SUCH THING as reality tv- editors cut scriptors script- and I don’t feel bad at all for any of these girls that have signed up for this show as it’s not like it was the first season and it’s not like they didn’t have some idea what they were getting into just by watching previous seasons. Yes Jason became an early kisser and is a bit dull- but common if you want reality than leave your tv off and strictly live in the real world. You can not feel bad for these girls- they get 6 weeks of fabulous dates- good food, friendships formed- and some go onto to do other types of televiison. From week to week we know that one girl must go, we also know that ABC MUST add different twists to keep us watching from year to year- Even American Idol is changing things up and of Shannon did her enterview and put a twist to make herself look better- she made a real fool of herself for several weeks- what else was she supposed to do!?!?!?
Ok, Melba Manwhore dumps Mel picks up Molly. Wasn’t it December around the middle where Jason announces that he is engaged? But doesn’t he get engaged to Mel, then to Mol. I think I need a block diagram.
226 and 227: They were definitely “real” friends…I actually know one of them (so random! the whole 6 degrees of separation thing is sooo true). Also it wasn’t the friends throwing Melissa under the bus. The topics of conversation are about 99% chosen by the producers. It is the producers that were continually saying in private interviews “so, Mel told us her ex was awful, tell me how awful he was” and it was them suggesting the topics of convo while they were in the group setting. They will either toss it right out there or bring one of them aside and tell them to bring it up. It’s so funny.
Also, this “ex” that she is back with…she did not date him for 7 years (#228 you seem to know what you are talking about!). She only dated him for appx. 2 years, on and off.
Has anyone thought that maybe Melissa broke his heart right off the bat after he proposed to her? Maybe she left him, and ABC is trying to save ground by giving him a second chance at love?
I think reality steve is wrong.
I wonder if we will get any new clues tonight from the WTA? Anyone on here that attended?
I think we, John Q Public, will never know the whole truth…
*ABC puts a spin on things and has ratings to worry about
*Reality Steve could have his own motives
*Anyone that has been on the show or knows personally 1 of the people involved and has only been told 1 point of view.
But it sure is entertaining and fun to read this blog and the comments and watch the show. Well said, #233 Angi! The only reality is reality as we know it.
Deep, eh?
Has anybody read bachelornews dot blogspot dot com? It sounds like Melissa does get proposed to in AFTR#2!?!?! I guess the only way to find the truth is to watch it, but boy does this stir the pot more…especially with all the posts saying she’s with her ex.
Thanks for the insight, yet again, former bachelorette! I think I came up with the 7 years based on something Melissa said to the camera or on one of her initial dates with Jason. Maybe I heard her wrong. I just remembered thinking she was similar to Nikki (who dated that one guy for 11 years).
On the RS comment section, someone brought up that Chris Harrison said something along the lines of “whatever happens is so dramatic (at the final rose ceremony) that we just kept the cameras rolling”. Do you think that means the dramatic thing is right after the proposal, or that he was referring to the two ATFR ceremonies?
241: No you are right – she did say that her hadn’t dated anyone in like 2-3 years and her last boyfriend was 7 years. I’m not sure where this came.
As for the bachelornews.blogspot site…she is absolutely, positively, unequivocally, unquestionably not engaged to Jason Mesnick – in no way, shape or form. I’m not sure where the author of that blog got their scoop from…but it was a bad scoop. As of one week ago, she was dating her ex.
Did you read Reality Steve’s newest post? He says he has no proof to show that this was all planned “from the beginning” because he can’t out his sorce. The ONLY thing he says he can stand by is that J dumps Mel and starts dating Molly. He said ABC may spin this so it looks like it’s a mutual break-up, etc but he KNOWS the truth.
So hmmm…whatever. IMO- this whole theory has no legs. He may have some “sources” but really, it doesn’t have much clout unless you have proof and proof he can not show. Personally, I’m going to tune in for every single show because I can’t wait to see how it turns out. I don’t even really care if ABC plays spin doctor. I just want to be entertained.
Thanks Bachette. I had wondered about that “Bachelor news” blog. I can’t wait for WTA tonight!!!
I agree with Rachel. I just wanna be entertained! Besides, we all know Jason and Molly will be broken up by the time the snow melts. I mean really. They don’t even KNOW each other. And Molly was only “in it to win it.” No WAY would I take a man’s ring that told me to my FACE on national television that I’m a nice girl and all but he’s in love with somebody else. I DO have my pride. Ya think maybe…she’s…just trying to do to him what he did to HER? Hmmm…Molly may not be as white bread as I first thought.
The more I read of Reality Steve? The bitter-er he sounds. Honestly? RS sounds suspiciously like a disgruntled ex employee.
Sigh. I hate that I’m so sucked into this.
Pineapple.
Maybe Melissa’s current BF (who probably went to support her but was sitting in the audience) will propose to her at the second AFTR? That would fit in with what Chris Harrison says in his blog.
#245 It’s so true. It’s like driving by a car accident. It’s tragic and painful, but you can’t stop staring.
Save me… Pinapple!!
ok so former bach-ette says that bachelornews.blogspot is incorrect- but how do we know that the person writing for former bach-ette is REALLY a former bach-ett? i could create a prophile name that said something like Jason didn’t give me a rose- and say whatever I wanted. I think it’s a bit crazy how a previous bachelor- jeremy cade is dating a Dallas cheerleader and one of the final two was a dallas cheerleader- and then we had a Suns dancer in another season….I love the show and will continue to watch it….but seriously don’t buy into any of it as truth. just like soap opera’s aren’t true.
Former Bach-ette, Once again thanks for the insight, you are awesome. Please let us know if you start your own blog so we can join in! I bet Lincee would like reading it too!!!!
What do ya’ll think about tonight????
Anyone???
8:00 can’t come soon enough. i have it checked on my program guide. hee hee.
i think that whoever jason is “engaged” to and he should have to go on The Amazing Race to see how compatible they “really” are!
angi – touche
N- you’re welcome!
I agree with you Suzi!
I wish we could have drama tonight on the ‘girls tell all’ and REALLY find out what’s going on. Maybe Stalker Shannon is Jason’s real pick. He can wipe Ty’s nose and then Shannon’s! Ye haw!
haven’t read RS’s site. Do we ever meet Melissa’s parents? Is this what the taping without an audience is about? Do her parents come but don’t want to be in front of an audience?
Question – I feel like I’ve read it both ways, but which is the ceremony that had to be taped in private – ATFR #1 or ATFR#2? Also, has anyone found OHCH’s blog for episode 8 (last week’s)? I was curious to see how/if he responded to all the hate posts on his episode 7 blog after the RS rumor broke.
There was this dumb movie on ABC Family or something that Jason Preistley starred in (and Hottie Bradley Cooper who is in “He’s Just Not that Into You”)
Anyway, the movie was called, “I Want to Marry Ryan Banks” – basically Ryan Banks is a famous actor, and he is the “bachelor” and Bradley Cooper is his BFF and agent, and he does the show to help is rep and so people don’t think he is such a player, blah, blah, blah.. …instead of roses they give away “keys” to Ryan’s heart (gag).
Anyway, I watched the movie – I’ll admit it. Let me tell you – that little movie was more realistic than the actual “Bachelor” is. And like that movie, the bachelor and the producers and the agents know what’s going in, but the girls did NOT know…
Does Lincee write recaps of the WTA episodes?
Ok. Why I am bothering to write the 259th comment is beyond me. My eyes started crossing shortly after 150. Anyway, it would be understandable for the “winner” to dump Jason on ATFR 1. Then on ATFR 2, we get an update on who’s doing who now. Why do we all care about these people??? Whoever ends up the final winner will end up single in about 3 months anyway. Jason dumping someone on tv is ridiculous. That is downright mean. As phony/cheeseball as he appears, mean is not something I would call him.
I agree with you, #259. I’ve been chewing on all this for awhile (doesn’t taste good, btw!) and I can’t see Melba being that cruel. Doesn’t fit with his dull persona. Anyone else agree?
Half hour into WTA and I’m sorry, Stalker Shannon was looney tunes, no doubt about it.
Hate to be so obtuse, but I don’t get “pineapple” — please explain, Lincee fans
ton of references to molly, and only into 20min of show.
What’s with the severe editing of the WTA to give the women of this season limited camera time? Very odd.
two hour show, they’re up next
fred and noelle, too cute !!! There ARE success stories from the Bachelor!
was it Holly who also had a doily dress ??!!!
oh god, poor lincee…. i hope she wont feel like recapping the first hour.
It was nice to see Charlie and Sara back but a bit of a shameless ploy on the part of TPTB. I can’t believe OHCH would actually say (with a straight face) that garbage about how in love some people stay together, some don’t etc etc etc. Although I did admire their honesty about why they broke up. If they are happy then I wish them the best. Ok that and a big fat payday from ABC for going on the WTA.
FINALLY.. only an hour into the show they are bringing out the dumpees, I mean the Bachellorettes from this year.
Fred and Noelle made me cry. So sweet!
There is some severe pro-Molly edit goin on in these clips. Have they even shown Mel other than when Trista mentioned her?
AZ here. show just started. Did Lincee write the dialog for OHCH and Jason when OHCH was going over the girls with him? Sure sounded like it was straight from one of her recaps
C list (#267) They mentioned her a little bit but it’s definitely been The Molly Show. The PR wheels are spinning already.
Tikibabe (#265), don’t say that!! Lincee’s blog tomorrow may be the only way I get back that “lost hour” spent watching that drivel. At least she may make it funny. LOL
here is another good interview about WTA
http://www.theinsider.com/news/1721215__The_Bachelor_Faces_His_Ousted_Bachelorettes
This show “The Women Tell All” is sooooo boring. Couldn’t they have thought of something else? How bout we go straight into the final rose sow????? This is just painful.
This is BS – what was that, 30 minutes total of the women telling “all”?
Can I just say, ABC I want those two hours back. Only Lincee can make that debacle worthwhile.
Well, if you didn’t believe it before- you should believe it now. We KNOW he was engaged, as he said so in interviews and we saw the “later this season” clips. But, OHCH asked Jason, “Are you happy?” at then end instead of the usual, “Are you engaged?”
I didn’t really want to believe all the rumors. The only mystery left is what happened between F1 and Molly.
After watching tonight- the first time since all the spoiler info- I don’t buy that he was in on some grand scheme to pick Melissa and then dump her for Molly. I really don’t think he would do that.
Okay – was Lincee there at WTA? They kept showing the same cute gal and my wife and I thought it might be her??? Anyone know?
Check out this site: http://bachelornews.blogspot.com/.
Who knows what “REALLY” happens? We’ll see next week.
But I have to tell y’all… I can understand the questions about not a lot of air time for the women on the women tell all, but I wasn’t hatin’ it. Nope. Pretty much what I expected. But maybe that’s why I’m not disappointed. Didn’t expect more. Didn’t expect less. It’s only reality T.V.
But I did get a little sick to my stomach when Natalie was explaining away her behavior. It’s easier for me to like the Meghans and Ericas of the show than someone who is so full of herself yet feels she is soooo misunderstood and stereotyped. Kudos Chris! Thanks for calling it out with class.
Gotta’ love Stephanie…and looks like Jill just might be the next Bachelorette. Lots of class as well, Jill.
OHMYGOD.
Please tell me that someone else saw that both Melissa AND Molly both were wearing pinky rings in the promos for the season finale next week!!
#261 – “pineapple” is a safety word – like in S&M – the couple has a safety word so that if things get out of hand one says the safety word and the other person knows they need to stop or whatever. Lincee used it in her posts earlier this season, which were hilarious. PINEAPPLE will be forever funny.
Is Molly really every guy’s dream girl? Sorry, but I just don’t see it. She’s more of a Bitsy VanPelham – off to the country club kinda gal. That’s fine for those of her set but I just don’t see Jason as a part of it.
Poor Natalie, she just doesn’t get it. Nat, the girls aren’t JEALOUS! They think you and your spray tan are superficial and lacking character. Example: Jason – tell me something about yourself.. Natalie: I like bears. WTF?
Tonight’s a little late for TPTB to start throwing Molly in our faces in hopes that we’ll get behind her, but they sure are doing it. Fleiss: “You WILL love her, America! You WILL be happy for her and Melba! You WILL NOT blame us for publicly hurting Melissa”. Obviously setting up next week, but I would like to know if they edited the Jason interview/flashbacks AFTER all the RS furor started.
Well, my hopes for Jillian being the “one” have been crushed. Is it just me or was Jason totally rude to Jillian tonight? It appeared he was angry at her, maybe he wanted her to break down and cry over him – when instead, she seemed glad to have gotten away from him. There is absolutely no love with the final 2 it is all lust and juvinile crushing….he is a 32 year old loser..
I’m sooo psyched that Jillian will be on the bachelorette at some point!!!
All of the former contestants seemed so bored, no one was still crying over Jason…this seasn there have been no real connections, just Jason’s libido and the young girls competing to be number 1….trouble is, noone really thought out to the ending where one of them actually might get stuck with him….I think he is happy with someone not even on the bachelor – that is the shocker…he got kicked to the curb by BOTH girls and went home to Seattle and found someone in a coffee shop that said “yes”
I really wanted him to pick Jillian when this season started. Now I’m really glad he didn’t. I would love to see Jillian as the next Bachelorette but she deserves better (so does Stephanie for that matter).
BTW yes Jason was toad.
The only part I enjoyed was Natalie demonstrating yet again that money might buy (silicone) beauty but it can’t buy class or intelligence. Even OHCH threw her under the bus, that has to smart.
Didn’t see it at all…Jason being angry with Jill? Didn’t notice….
#274…I’d sure like to know if she was there.
Don’t know if my comment above can be seen–#275–says still awaiting moderation. But I just realized the site I was mentioning has already been mentioned.
Pineapple.
Did anyone notice today while they were re-capping the Molly / Jason dates that she has a tatoo around her pinky finger? Was that just me or did someone else see that also?
#275 – YES!!!!!! I saw it!!!!!! Thank goodness it wasn’t just me!
Wow I just really hated seeing jason tonight on WTA.. He is such a jerk!! (if the rumors are true) I defintely felt like he was hiding something and there was some major editing going on by ABC!! Arghhh…this is all driving me crazy!!
Wait a second…I just watched the whole thing and saw the girls getting ready for the final rose but only Melissa had on the pinkie ring…they didn’t even show the girls dressed up for the final rose ceremony…they cut straight to Deanna and then Jason crying…so some of you saw the girls all dressed and BOTH of them with pinkie rings?
Alright I never thought I’d say it but I’m actually liking Molly now…she seems more mature than Melissa. I think he’s got it bad for Molly…I think he sends Molly home then loses it and thats when he’s crying. He’s in a flannel shirt and jeans when he sees Deanne but then in a suit when he’s crying. Can’t wait for next week!
Y’all, this is so corny….but my 16-year-old daughter went with her boyfriend’s family to the Spanish Town Parade in Baton Rouge yesterday.
She brought back these two cheesy roses that were thrown to her and I’d so like to ask Lincee…”Would you accept this rose?”
Corny, I know. But I sure had myself in stitches all night offering it to my teens, then telling one I was sooo sorry I couldn’t give her this rose because she is just “too sarcastic” and then having the toddler bring one to Daddy who was watching T.V. ALONE in the master bedroom (NOT The Bachelor)…
She asked him, ” ‘Cept this rose?” Hilarious! But I guess you had to be here….come on people! You know this show makes us nuts.
#279 – I agree, Jason was being rude to Jillian. He was throwing her under the bus by constantly playing the “friend” card at her. I thought it was HILARIOUS when she called him for lying to Melissa on their first date about not having kissed anyone in a long time. I would really be excited to see Jillian as the next bachlorette b/c she doesn’t seem to be a fame whore, so she just might have a shot at actually finding love. Okay, I need therapy b/c I keep hoping we’ll see a real love story. Sigh.
By the way, does anyone know what Molly was doing to her fingernails in the promo for the FRC?
Okay, last comment for the night. I think.
If we want to suggest that Lincee do a recap of TWTA, then we’d better send a comment on her previous post ’cause she said herself she will not be reading these. At least not now.
Pineapple.
#291 – It looked like Molly was giving herself a french manicure…or buffing her nails.
maybe i’m alone in this, but ‘m pissed off that ABC led us all on to believe that melissa is the best pick, and then at WTA they shove all these “never seen before” scenes with molly and jason which would have (at the very least) made us feel better about what may be shown later.
i’m still unimpressed with molly and the editing done at ABC blows. i always thought that molly was the steal-your-man type of woman. turns out, it’s only because she’s a WINNER. silly me.
I don’t think it matters who he chooses (Melissa or Molly) he ends up getting dumped at some point either at the FR2 or later. Both of those girls (not women) have too much ahead of them (especially now that they have had their 15 minutes of fame) to marry Jason. Jillian should not be on the bachelorette if she is serious about finding someone. I think Jillian and Graham would be a good match. He was a strong character and she would be a match for him… Now that Jillian is over Jason, you could tell by the way she called him out about his dismissing his first kiss with her, you could see that he had no use for her….he kept reiterating that he only felt friendship and looked irriated with her….she is so over him, she didn’t say much, just wanted to get the heck out of Dodge and back to the real world.
The real love story will be when Jillian finds her prince charming – all 6 foot 2 of him, all on her own and trots him out at one of these bachelor reunion shows. Eat your heart out Jason, you are so done and over with…he doesn’t even have enough charisma to be on any other reality shows…all of the girls were yawning tonight….ABC really missed with this one and they are trying to make up for it with the big hype over the finale. I believe Jason gets dumped – but at this point noone will even care!
Call me bitter after a recent break-up myself, but he that stereotypical guy we’ve all known at some point (please don’t flame me for that comment). He knows he sent a great girl get away, for no good reason other than he’s selfish and narcisstic (sp?). He has to do something to make her look like it was “all her fault”. We were only friends my *$$. More and more Jason’s true colours are coming out (ABC editiors you aren’t that good). Oh – that sounded a little more bitter than I wanted. Maybe I should change my screen name to Natalie.
OK – I am not necessarily a Jason Mesnick lover – but – I feel bad for this guy getting completely blasted before anyone actually KNOWS what has happened. Come on folks – this guy has a child – lets not blast his reputation before we know.
I will be as disappointed as the next person if he doesn’t turn out to be a good guy – but in my opinion (and, once again, I am not a Jason cheerleader) he has handled himself better than any other Bachelor I have watched – has handled difficult situations with class – has at least appeared to care about these girls. I am not saying he is a saint, but has at least handled himself well.
Who knows how this will turn out – but before we start killing this guys reputation, let’s hit pause for a moment…
We really need an edit button for our posts Lincee.. that should read “he is that stereotypical”.. blah blah blah
No offense Never2late but I think Graham would make a TERRIBLE choice for Jillian…she is WAY too good for him…Graham who was a semi-pro basketball start/bartender…she’s a designer and successful and confident and out of Graham’s league. I always felt like she was out of Jason’s league too. And she didn’t seem the slightest bit heartbroken tonight did she??? She’s over it.
Ok, not a Jason lover, how do you explain why someone who is getting divorced with a 3 year old son goes on the Bachelorette leaving his job and son to make an idiot out of himself….low and behold, he is in the final 2 and proposes and gets humilated…then….with all the public sympathy…not even over his broken heart, agrees to again leave his job and son and become the Bachelor….he is in this for himself, not his son or his life in Seattle. And as for caring about the girls, he didn’t show a single bit of emotion other than the points he earned for planning Stephanies surprise. He only has shown any emotion when he is trying to make out with molly and melissa…he has no idea what love is. He showed no emotion tonight other than his fake shout out to Stephanie. In fact, he got irritated with Jillian when she was trying to get some closure, she is no dummy, when she saw his reaction, she backed off and waited to get the hell out of ther.
Jillian is so over Jason, I agree. But, I think she wants someone to sweep her off her feet. Someone like Graham could do that, and, I think she is confident enough in herself to deal with all of his stuff. I think he has some good old fashioned southern gentleman like qualities that he didn’t get a chance to show on the Bachelorette. Remember when he kept trying to convince Deanna to visit his hometown to see the real side of him? That is what she regrets, letting Graham go. She has no interest in Jason whatsoever…just on the show for publicity.
Never2Late – I am not saying you are wrong – I just feel like it has gotten crazy with everyone jumping to conclusions talking about what a scumbag he is – I have spent more time than I care to admit (it is actually embarrasing) reading tons of different blogs about all of this speculation – and I am still shocked at how many people are actually calling him nasty, mean names – good grief – no one knows for sure yet what happened. I have actually seen the blogs go from favorable about Jason to the fact that he is a total and complete jerk and scumbag and a terrible guy – with no more information than rumors and what RS has to say.
And as for your comment about him being in this for himself – of course he is – what else was this for? Doesn’t mean he still doesn’t consider his son in every decision he makes.
I will reiterate – I am not a Jason cheerleader – but I think we all need to give this guy a tiny break until we know for sure what is going on. We may even find out next week that he is, indeed, a jerk – but let’s wait before we start calling him names.
Jason didn’t seem to have any interest in seeing any of the women, and I think they realized they didn’t miss out on much. I’ll bet all the women were waiting to hook up with some of the guys from the Bachlorette like they guys did after the MTA from Deanna’s season. Come to think of it, that’s a reason to bring back Jill as the bachlorette – we’ll need a new crop of guys to hook up with the women from the Bachelor. After seeing Fred and Noelle, and Jesse and Holly, the show may have a better success record matching up rejects!
Wow, show just ended here on the west coast. I didn’t like Jason in the Bachelorette (thought Jesse had WAY more spunk and personality) and really don’t care for him now. I thought Stephanie looked fantastic tonight and Jillian was Jillian: entertaining, insightful and real. Jason was a twit with her. Interesting that OHCH said the ATFR was “POTENTIALLY” so emotional, etc.
houstonlawyer – i actually don’t think jillian was calling him out on lying to melissa about the kiss. i think he said he hadn’t a kiss like that (that passionate) in a long time about the melissa kiss, and jillian was just commenting that it sucked for her to hear that. implying that her kiss with him the night before wasn’t all that passionate. i remembered thinking the same thing at the time and feeling bad for jillian.
Daisy, I thought the exact same thing – tonight and last time.
correction – hadn’t *had* a kiss like that
also, the interview with natalie was so awful. either chris really dislikes her too, or he’s just plain good at his job. she just didn’t get it. how many times did she retract statements? “ok…fine…i was mad they were splashing me!” “if i said i was laidback, i retract that.” she is pathetic.
also, did shannon look like she had gotten a chemical peel the morning of the WTA to anyone else?
#303 — KP:
Thank you!!! I couldn’t agree more. People are totally trashing this guy based on nothing but rumors and speculation. Makes me think of high school.
Do the producers have an agenda they’d like to push? Sure, but it doesn’t mean Reality Steve has the whole story right and that Jason would intentionally hurt Melissa to advance that agenda.
Give peace a chance…
Daisy – I agree on the Natalie stuff. I was feeling sorry for her before she opened her trap last night, but she looked like a snarky wishy washy child last night.
My husband still thinks that she’s the “hottest one” and the other girls were all just jealous. Whatever.
And Shannon had something going on I couldn’t put my finger on. The face, the thick matty hair, what was up with her?
I, too, thought the whole thing was dull and time-wasting, and was happy to have Tivo’d it, so I blew through it in about 30 minutes! I have to hand it to Natalie for trying to keep her dignity intact in the beginning of being in the hot seat. It just stinks that the other ladies (hello, Nikki!) weren’t going to let her. But come on, Nat. You know when people don’t like you. It’s palpable. Unless you’re completely clueless, you knew all along that there was a significant portion of the ladies that disliked you. So don’t play that pouty, wide-eyed innocent route of “I didn’t know they didn’t like me! I thought we were all friends!” Please, no one is buying that. And I don’t think there was any love between she and OHCH. I think she was ready to deck him at the end!
I was thrilled to see Jillian and how composed she was. I didn’t think Jason was being rude to her, but I still don’t think he was being truthful. To throw a “friend” card after we all saw what happened in the hot tub? I’m sorry, you just don’t do that with someone who’s just a “friend”, unless you’re scamming on her/him. Which maybe he was, but I still see a big disconnect between what he said, and what we saw.
I was surprised to see both Mel and Mol sporting the french manicure! Didn’t see the pinky ring on both, but I thought that was an interesting thing (obviously planned to throw us off) to show.
OH YAWWWN….what a waste of time. We didn’t see anything new or different that wasn’t already obvoius or showed in previews. Is it me or is Jason just THAT boring…I think that is why we are all so bored as well which is why they have to put a spin on it. A few notes. HD TV is not Natalie’s friend…she would be a good candidate for Proactiv…and LOVED OHCH’s comments about her superficial things being taken away and pointing out her ‘gumball machine’ jewelry…she dug a hole deeper. I was however disappointed that OHCH didn’t pounce on the opportunity of “I like bears.”Also agree with someone else’s comment of Shannon – she looked as if she had a chemical peel – and her hair looked like a rat’s nest… As for Jillian – she teed herself up for the next Bachelorette. Class act and handled herself GREAT. I think she is GLAD she didn’t wind up with him in the end. Someone brought up a good point that OHCH mentioned to him Are you happy? rather than what he always asks of Are you engaged? And they ALWAYS make a point for them to say they are engaged…they better redeem themselves next week after this week’s disappointment.
did you guys see this on OHCH blog? ” We have not shot the second “After the Final Rose” special yet! I gotta be honest.”
Interesting…
Lauren is such a wench. UGH! And could she have put her boobs on display in a more obvious way?! Erica actually redeemed herself a bit with me last night and so did Megan. But Lauren is, and always will be, a wicked, vile person.
And loved OHCH calling Nat out on her “superficial” things (blackberry, iPod, etc.). She’s seriously lacking in depth.
Everything about last night’s WTA pointed to the validation of the “rumors” flying around. The fact they made it the Molly show to show how cute they are to together and the comparing of Melissa to Deanna was a sorry attempt for us to hope that Molly is the chosen one next week and that there will be disappointment when Melissa is chosen. Therefore creating a “wrong being righted” when he changes his mind and goes for Molly.
Just for the record I don’t think TPTB scripted anything for the beginning. It’s very obvious that this went down on Jason’s terms and ABC is doing its best to smooth things over with the audience.
It is also very telling that Chris only asked Jason if he was happy…no “are you all happy” or mention of a couple.
The three things that interested me last night:
–Fred & Noelle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cutest couple EVAH!!!!!
–Molly looks so much prettier without all the eye makeup she normally wears–I barely recognized her in the shots where she is preparing for the Final Rose ceremony.
–OHCH reminded me of Rod Serling from “The Twilight Zone” when he comes out at the end in that darkened studio–SPOOKY!!! Love it! (and him)
Not sure if anyone else said this (didn’t read all the posts) but WHEN exactly did Jason realize that they were meant to be great friends? Was it before or after he mauled her in the hot tub? Talk about dishonest…
Sorry – WHEN exactly did Jason realize that he and JILLIAN were meant to be great friends…before or after the hot tub scene…. (sorry if that wasn’t clear)
Didn’t prior WTA sessions include the studio audience asking questions? Or am I confusing that with ATFR? I wonder if ABC shut that down to stay in control of the scene. Stephanie #317 & #318, I would definitely have asked that one!
No joke Stephanie!! Really? I would have rather heard him say he had better chemistry or more feelings for another girl than play the friend card…..seriously……
I really didn’t see an edit to make Molly look better. Maybe I slept my way through parts of it, but what I saw was basically them setting it up as they usually do- He’s in love with two women and he can’t decide. Ugh- like that makes it better! Don’t propose then if you don’t know which one you like better. Do they have a special bachelor coin that they can flip to find out who’s the “winner?” Were there new Molly clips? I didn’t notice.
Personally, Jason went down about 5 notches in my opinion. I thought Jill was classy. Jason, on the other hand, acted like he couldn’t care less. He was NEVER put in the hot seat by any of the women. It’s like they all just politely smiled at him and counted down the minutes until they could leave. No one really cared about him. Now I’m beginning to wonder- why should we? Obviously he isn’t that great if the chicks aren’t willing to fight over him.
Natalie- best moment of the night. I loved how she was the ONLY woman not dressed up. She looked like she was going to a concert. And that girl surely has some attitude. Thanks for the laughs, OHCH!
I agree, Clayton. If he was not feeling the passion and wanted to go the platonic route with Jillian, why did he have to humiliate her with that trashy hot tub & overnight scene, knowing she was falling for him? Wow, you’re some great friend there, Jason!
In the previews of the WTA show, we saw Natalie saying “ya big jerk!” to someone, and a quick cut to Jason and Chris both looking shocked. I don’t remember seeing this in the show itself. I don’t think “jerk” is used woman-to-woman, is it? So who was she calling the jerk, and why did they preview it but then edit it out of the show that aired?
KP (#303) – I completely agree. What are people expecting from this show? Jason’s not doing anything the other bachelors/bachelorettes haven’t done before. If ABC gave anyone the chance to take 6 weeks off work, be surrounded by hot guys/girls, go on amazing dates and trips, who wouldn’t do it?! And finally, I live in Dallas and know Melissa’s ex-boyfriend from college, and they are definitely hanging out. I don’t know the extent of their relationship, but it’s possible that she broke up with Jason.
Dear Everybody on here freaking out about conspiracies and OHCH bashing,
Chill out. It’s the Bachelor. It’s a TV show. We’ll find out what happens next week. Practice getting a life in the meantime why don’t you.
Wow, Jill. Why don’t you just take your toys and leave if you aren’t having fun? I seriously doubt we will “find out what happens” next week. We will simply find out what ABC wants to spin on the show. That’s where this blog comes in…. we get to second guess everything!
Why did noone seem to enjoy last night’s WTA?! I personally thought it was one of the more entertaining versions! I dug that less attention was spent on the desperados (Jillian excluded here), and we got to see the pimps & hos version w/ the old contestants! More bikinis & hot tub scenes – way better than the usual cat fights & explanations of how the girls in the house were edited poorly, portrayed wrong, etc – boo hoo.
AMEN #316 – loved Fred & Noelle – how adorable! “reality show rejects” in her words, find love – they brought a tear to my eye
too cute!
Also, I thought OHCH was witty, sharp & sarcastic as ever. I loved how he razzed that Sunset Tan reject Natalie, and how he gave Jason a particulary hard time about the hot tub scene with Jillian. The Cinemax line was classic!
Of course we found out no new info about what will happen in the finale. I agree with those that ABC edited to confuse the viewers. I found spots where Molly was favored, but also thought it was convenient that Bachelor’s sweetheart Trista said she thought Jason would/should (?) choose Melissa … like Trista really watches the show to make such an assessment – I’m sure the prodcuers had nothing to do with that!
i would love to see people not be polite. i’m not talking about jerry springer or anything but when chris harrison baited natalie with the shallow comment, i would have loved to see her look at him and say SERIOUSLY? it was so obvious he was trying to make her look bad on national tv. i would’ve been defensive too. and from this comment, don’t pick up that i’m a natalie fan because i’m not.
i used to think jason was so great. i think the sleeping with three girls at one time thing really gets to me. how in the world can you think that’s ok? even if it’s just a reality tv show, there are real people behind the scenes.
i keep watching though. i hope for a happy ending i think… but the trista and ryan success story is gagging me with a spoon lately.
I am with you lulu – I have been over Trista and Ryan for quite some time…it’s old. Also I was surprised for Sarah to just lay it on the line about Charlie and his drinking. (insert Jim Halpert face) I agree with what some others say. There was no interaction with Jason and the girls. It was just dull. And did they also show any of the girls sitting on the back row that all their cellulite would show in their short dresses sitting in those chairs? And why don’t they just come out with it – Jillian is the next Bachelorette.
And one little tidbit – I love how they say Deanna and Ace are together but there have never been any pictures of the two of them….hhhmmmmm….I do think she comes on for her last 14:59 of fame….
Jason’s a tool! Or better yet, I’ll use my favorite from last season – he’s a d’bag! He doesn’t deserve either of these girls … and they really are too young for him anyway and way too cute. Hope Molly dumps him in some very public and humiliating way! I also hope O(sweet)HCH isn’t involved in this rumored plot – I don’t want to hate him too. But I did love his comments on WTA last night – calling Natalie out on the superficial things that she didn’t have with her (BB, iPod) and commenting on her hundreds of bracelets after she said she doesn’t even like jewelry! That was my favorite part of the 2-hour yawn fest of a show!
Ashley-329, I’m cracking up about the cellulose legs. Yikes. Not a flattering shot at all! Ouch.
…did just reach OHCH’s blog and he says that ATFR #2 hasn’t been shot yet – interesting – and I do think that him not mentioning Jason being engaged last night (just “happy”) is somewhat of a sign that he is no longer engaged (if he ever was).
BTW – can’t believe that some people on Chris Harrison’s blog were actually questioning OHCH’s parenting skills – huh? Good grief. But he handles it beautifully in his blog after WTA. LOVE him.
Lulu:
Just because Jason spent the night in the fantasy suite with Jillian, Molly and Melissa doesn’t mean he had sex with all three of them – or any of them, for that matter. Only each of them know what happened for sure. Besides, Jillian straight up asked for the fantasy suite card and Molly created her own fantasy suite card, so why just get down on Jason for his behavior. It’s not like he was playing them… They are big girls who all know about the others.
And Love This Shiz:
I agree. I thought last night was pretty good! OHCH was especially on last night! Loved Noelle and Fred. Stunned that Sarah threw Charlie & his drinking under the bus the way she did — she probably could have answered the question a little more tactfully. Wonder what their conversation was like after the taping?!?
And geez, Lauren should have covered “the girls” up a little better. I think it was Erica on screen talking, but I was totally distracted by Lauren’s boobs hanging out all over behind her. The camera men were having a field day on that shot, I’m sure!
I thought OHCH was funny last night. Go OHCH! He made fun of Jason using the word AMAZING all the time. Classic!
Lots of good stuff on here. I agree with a bunch of you, here are some thoughts:
- Huge red flag when Chris asked if Jason was happy, and nothing more. Didn’t use the word engaged, in love, nothing. It is so obvious that there is something up this year. OHCH usually goes in to a little more detail, but not this time. Jason was acting weird, I just can’t put my finger on it. Maybe a little nervous. Like the cat who swallowed the canary.
- Jillian, love her! She should be the next bachlorette, she is so real and full of life. Jason is so wrong for her because he does not have enough class. I am glad she was not part of the final 2 insanity. I have a feeling she said a lot more but it was edited in the tell all.
- 317 (Stephanie) – I COMPLETLY agree. He didn’t have to get all up in her if he didn’t feel any chemistry. That is a big load of BS. He is a manwhore and just wanted action. Ugh, he creeps me out. Nice example for Ty, well done Jason, well done. Disgusting, I would not want him to date anyone I know.
It’s official. I heard from my mom-in-law that she knows Melissa wins, but they are not together today. She knows this because she works with someone who is friends with Melissa’s beau’s mom. They went to a party at the mom’s house or something. Anyway, I know this is not new news, but more confirmation. What we still don’t know, is how all of this happened. I really hope Mel dumps Jason. I am losing respect for him more and more.
Also, eventhough I am not a fan of Molly’s, she does seem a bit more grown up than Melissa. I’m just saying…
Does anyone think Melissa looks like a brunette Jessica Simpson? Kind of acts like her too!
I just can’t get enough of Trista and Ryan. You guys this show works! America!
The other thing is in the former previews/shows Jason always threw it in our face that he was going to find his future wife…his FUTURE WIFE is in this bunch…one of you two are my FUTURE WIFE…alright already…we HEARD it….nnnoooowwwww we don’t hear that anymore…and OHCH only reconfirmed it and letting the cat out of the bag by simply asking ‘Are you happy?’ REALLY? Not…are you engaged? which is ALWAYS asked…
Man I am sorta sad after reading all this…. I beleive it though and am mad at myself for being so naive. My husband and I were on Design to Sell as the people that walk through the open house. It was totally staged! We were friends with the people that were selling the house! Maybe all TV is staged and fake! At least Ryan and Trista are still together!
#337, yes, I do.
I agree that all the girls there were prob just looking fwd to the big hookup fest that happened at last seasons tell all show. If I was a chick from this season, I can think of about 24 other guys from last season that I’d rather hook up with besides Jason (ok well maybe not Howl at the Moon man, but you get my point).
I’m sure Jillian IS over it once she got away from the producers telling her ‘You LOVE Jason. You want him. You must be with him. YOU LOOOOOVE HIM!’ 50 times a day.
#296, they did miss it with this one. Graham would have been a MUCH better choice and prob would have been somewhat interesting rather than just creepy staring at the girls and then molesting them with his mouth. Ugh.
Did anyone else notice how they did not ask the ex-bacheloerettes who they thought Jason would pick? Usually they do a roll call and see who everyone thinks he will end up with. That was odd to me. Maybe they all know the ending.
There is definitely something fishy going on and this may be exactly what ABC wants! I can’t wait to see all the posts after next week!
I too saw the promo where the girls get ready for the Final ceremony. As they were shown putting on make up, my 12 yr old son said, “As if they are really putting on their own make up”. Hysterical. Then I was in shock over how nice and natural Molly looked without her shovel-applied eye make up. Truly stunned.
Side note–noticed how Jason eluded to the fact that during fantasy suite nights they have to get to know each other. I was grossed out.
I pray every night that when they officially offer Jillian the Bachelorette?
She turns it DOWN. I don’t want her to turn into Jason. Or Deanna. Frankly? She showed herself so well in this show (minus the ho-break with Jason) that she should have men beating down her door to date her. She don’t NEED this show to find a husband. She’ll be married in a year anyway. The woman is what every thinking man in America is looking for! Beauty, brains, common sense, and she’s independent! If I had a son I’d be throwing her at his head every chance I got!
And did you see the looks on the ladies faces when Jillian was introduced? And got a standing O?
PRICELESS!!! IT was GREAT!!! If you got TIVO? Go back and take a look! They were PISSED! Definitely the BEST part of the night!
#343, that is kind of gross!
KP, I think one thing you’re missing is that the dislike of Jason started even before the speculation of him ditching Mel for Mol. Personally, I have not liked Jason very much this season at all, and I REALLY liked him during Deanna’s season. I think the more we’ve gotten to see of Jason, the less appealling he seems. Sort of like when Bob became the Bachelor. I mean, geez man, can you try to not make out with at least ONE woman??
And regardless of what went down with Mel and Mol, we saw how he treated Jillian. He practically made a PORNO with her and then threw out the friend card. WTF is that?? I think Jason’s behavior on the show and the WTA make him a scum without the Mel and Mol story having to be true. Now if it turns out he was seeing Molly behind Melissa’s back — I don’t care if it was preplanned or spontaneous — he’s a class A d-bag.
No I don’t think Melissa looks anything like Jessica Simpson.
ok, maybe i missed this – but would someone please tell me. are there going to be TWO after the final rose ceremonies-one for the dumping and one for the proposal to Molly. assuming this is true from RS.
Hey Totsie, RS has never claimed to know what happened during ATFR #2, because he knew it hadn’t been filmed yet. All he knows, based on his sources, is that Jason dumps Melissa for Molly during the ATFR #1 taping (filmed back in January). We think ATFR #2 is being filmed this week. (Chris said in his blog posted yesterday that it hadn’t been filmed yet, and he wrote the blog Saturday night.)
If Jason proposes to Molly during ATFR #2 then he is insane. They need to date for at least a year before they jump into an engagement, imo. I hope #2 is just a recap of the last 6 weeks, how their relationship has been going, maybe some more unseen footage from the taping last year to show more of their journey (sip), that sort of thing.
#297 MaggieMay, I also just went through a break-up, and it’s exactly like you described: “he sent a great girl get away, for no good reason other than he’s selfish and narcisstic.” thanks for making me feel better by reading that!!
i like watching the bachelor to see how women react when they get rejected by the bachelor. not in a mean way, but in a sympathetic way. a lot of the girls are great, beautiful women, yet they still get really upset. so it reminds me that i am not alone, when i am feeling rejected as well. this season has been especially helpful in my life, which kind of sux right now.
whatever — anyways, i think it’s all just good entertainment, and not anything really real. i also think jason is full if it to deal jillian the “friend” card after making a soft core porn flick with her in the hot tub.
my favorite part of WTA was when OHCH said “3 hours of sex is a lot of sex” re: mol and jase in the tent. HA HA HA HA.
i also was really sad that jillian got sent home, then realized i was happy, since she deserves way better than “J”. i would love to see her as the bachelorette, but then again — i am sure she would be fine just living in the real world too. i can’t wait to find out what happens in this shocking ceremony.
i think that melissa is “wounded.” i also said that, even from like the first episode or so. not to be mean, but i think she has some baggage she needs to work out. she is too young and cute and doesn’t need to settle down with a single dad and leave her whole home and life. also— she seems really clingy to me, and really like TOOOOOO in love, like she is codependent or has some issues.
also, i always confuse molly and melissa— bc, doesn’t molly seem like a melissa, and melissa seem like a molly?? ie, to me the name “molly” would be a super cute bubbly girl, and the name “melissa” would be more reserved and snobby. these two’s names are mixed in my head!!!!!!
lord have mercy, I have been grossed out the whole season w/ Jason slobbering all over everyone and they all knew it was going on. The way he would look at them all googly-eyed and mid sentence attack was creepy. I personally do not think Jas has a HOT bod, the fact that people are saying that is totally cracking me up! When they said up next Trista and Ryan I tuned out. They bore me. Whatever happens is a complete joke anyway. I plan on watching just so I can laugh my hiney off when I read Lincee’s blog.
Meaghan – you’re welcome. I was afraid my post would just come off as bitter ex ramblings. I’m glad I was able to help you feel better. It sounds like we are in a very similar situation. You are NOT alone. I know things suck right now, but I’m slowly getting to the point of understanding that I deserve better. I hope you can get there too. If not – that’s what Ben & Jerry’s, good friends and a whole whack of margaritas are for until you can. Oh and George Clooney.
I think I had two favorite parts – the priceless replay of “I like bears” and OHCH’s call-out on the tent and Jillian in the hot tub. Oh that’s three things. Um – I’m Canadian – we use the new math for counting. LOL
I can’t wait for next week.
thanks Sharona!
So…one after the rose has been taped (we will see it Monday night) and another one not in the can yet? totally agree that he would be nuts to propose to Molly. i will look at OHCH blog. What a potential mess.
#311 – Melissa did have on her pinky ring when she was getting ready. Sorry if this has been mentioned already…trying to read through all the posts!
It’s odd, but I’m not that invested really to care who he ends up with..and how it all really goes down. However, I just have to watch it! LOL Reality TV junkie here….but Lincee’s posts are well worth it!
#344 I TOTALLY agree! As much as I love Jillian, she is too good for this! I hopes she chooses to “just say no” to the bachelorette. And, I find that for some reason when the choosees become the choosers in bachelor/bachelorette land, they just become unbearable. I mean, I never liked Deanna, but I did like Jason last season. And, now that he’s become a total horn dog douche that grosses me out!
Just say no Jillian!
Meaghan and MaggieMay – I am right there with you ladies and enjoyed the perspective of both your posts! I can completely relate. Thanks!! Oh and George Clooney and Ben & Jerry’s are good ANYTIME!
This may have been mentioned before, but has former bachelorette ever said if she is from this season?
#347, it’s not that she looks exactly like Jessica Simpson…it’s more like how she talks/acts sometimes that I see a similarity. Don’t know how to explain it but she reminds me of her somewhat.
I’m still thinking/hoping that the big twist is that Jason realizes he should not have let Jill go and picks neither Melissa or Molly.
For what it’s worth, according to my digital preview, Jason meets with *both* finalists at AFTR1 *and* 2. And OHCH said they hadn’t even filmed #2 yet. Interesting if true. . .
Honestly…the more I read on the Reality Steve site, the more I think he is bluffing. He just keeps backtracking, and he has zero proof. I’m going to go into the finale just wishing for what I want to happen. Who cares really. It is just tv, right?
He’ll never be able to prove ABC was in on it, and I honestly don’t even know if I believe the whole Jason picks one, dumps one, and then gets with the other one theory now.
I honestly haven’t kept up with the Bachelor over the years – watched the Aaron season (with Helene and Brooke) and then became disenchanted. Never really watched it again until The Bachelorette last season. Is there always crazy gossip like this?!
#340 I Knew It!!!
I have spent hours reading these posts. It has been fun.
I do not know why OHCH keeps saying the most dramatic season ever. It was boring.
I think we need more of the Bachelorette and less of the Bachelor. I am really sick of these guys that say they are in love with two women. Maybe they break up after the season airs because they see how these guys act with the other women. Maybe Melissa broke up with “J” because she saw him slobbering all over Molly and making porn with Jillian.
It will be ironic if Jason is rejected again.
I have long suspected that ABC doesn’t let them reject the rose. It would be so much more dramatic if they did.
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BD- I absolutely agree with you. The more I read RS, the more I think he is full of complete garbage. He is backtracking constantly. He even admits in his “interview” with some other unknown blogger that he doesn’t know all of this 100%. Sooo ya, he’s just yapping it up for attention.
Personally, I hope Jason gets dumped by both women. He wanted to get some booty this season- it’s pretty obvious. I don’t think he should walk away with a relationship. I can’t wait to see what happens.
I’d love to read your posts, but I have to get back to my ipod (and running 4-5 miles for the day) and my blackberry. Tootles,
So, I tried to read over the posts but there are so many, so I apogize if this is a repeat!! This is new “spoiler” news to me as of yesterday…again, sorry if it has already been posted.
This was supposedly posted by a former ABC employee on the ABC message board20and then deleted. Sounds like they are going to spin it to put the blame on Melissa.
Jason proposed to Melissa and she accepted. Then the cameras kept rolling as they went back to the hotel and Melissa called her parents to tell them. After she spoke to them she told Jason that they were dead set against her getting engaged. She said that she loves him but that she thought they should take things slower and not really get engaged until they knew each other better. Jason was devastated by this becasue he felt rejected again on the show. This was what led to the famous balcony crying scene that has been shown on the previews. In his voice over Jason says that he fell in love with two women and he picked the one who he thought really wanted to be with him but now he thinks he made a huge mistake. He should not have let Molly go. The screen then switches to Molly in her limo talking about how she still loves Jason and she knows that Melissa was really not interested in marrying Jason but only wanted the fame that came with being on the show. She hopes that Jason will come back to her if and when things don’t work out with Melissa. Then the ATFR show comes on and Jason explains that he and Melissa hardly ever saw each other after the proposal. He says that Melissa was very distant toward him and acted like she really didn’t ever want to get married. So he called Molly and began seeing her. Melissa says that she was still very interested in Jason, but that she was just being cautious because she didn’t want to make a mistake. Jason says he knows now that he made a mistake by choosing Melissa and that he has fallen totally in love with Molly. They bring Molly out and the three of them talk about the process. Some harsh words are exchanged and Melissa ends up leaving the set.
The second ATFR is still in post production but I understand that it shows Melissa is back with her old boyfriend and very happy that things worked out the way they did. Jason then proposes to Molly.
hugs to Saggleo and MaggieMay!! Ben&Jerrys, GC and TB are what get us through the hard times!!!!
tif — i have not read that spoiler, but thanks for posting it!! it sounds plausible and likely. i can’t wait to find out what happens!!!! i love spoilers!!!!!
jason will be on kimmell on monday. i wonder what he will have to say for himself!!
i cant wait to crack open a bottle of wine, break out the pizza and ice cream and watch the most shocking finale in bachelor history.
ps – what does TPTB stand for?
There is no proposal…
The promos for next week keep hyping Jason proposing to the “love of his life”…the love of his life was Deanna and the proposal is just a replay of last years. This whole season has been nothing but hype with no excitment at all..
Jason may have chosen Molly, she would be the best choice for a former golf pro who doesn’t seem to have much going on with his career. Molly will be looking for someone that can take care of and provide for her…Jason really turned out to be the frog in this story, the WTA really showed that none of the women were sorry to have lost out..so, Jason ends up alone….again….good night.
I have read this board for a long time, but never posted, but after reading all of this, I have to. I can’t believe how INSANE this has all gotten…we are doing EXACTLY what ABC is hoping we will do! Oh well!
#77 and #103 comments…you are right. I know this is going to sound like everyone else who says ” I am friend’s with Melissa’s cousin’s housekeeper’s daughter’s best friend,” BUT here goes…
One of my friends knows Melissa’s family (pretty well) and has heard a lot of inside scoop. She won’t/can’t tell me a lot of what she knows, but she DOES tell me that it is “creepy” and “scary” referring to the lengths ABC goes to edit/control this whole thing. The way it has been relayed to me is that Jason sincerely picked Melissa, that her parents DID meet him OFF AIR after the finale in NZ (and that they are very nice, very normal people who did not want to be held hostage by ABC’s editing/contracts) and that everything was fine for a few weeks, but that when REALITY set in, BOTH he and Melissa decided that it wasn’t working and they broke up. Melissa wanted the break up and is doing fine. Also, ABC supposedly asked if she would be the next Bachelorette and she said no. That’s all I know for sure.
NOW, as far as how ABC handled this…who knows. They probably didn’t want ANOTHER failed romance, so they’ve CREATED this drama to make it look like something much bigger than it is. I do NOT think Jason was in on this “secret plot” from the beginning. Basically, he chose Melissa, it didn’t work, so he went to choice #2, Molly. That would be way to lame for ABC to air, so they’ve manufactured all this DRAMA. Can’t wait to see how it all plays out on TV…I assure you, what we see next week will not be REALITY.
Wow! Will be interesting to see what actually happens…
my husband has only watched the last two shows and asked me, “Do you notice that every time an awkward situation comes up, he kisses them?” Seriously in every scene if he’s asked a question he’s not comfortable with, he kisses them…if there is silence, he kisses them, and for goodness sakes, he kisses a snotty faced girl b/c he doesn’t know what else to do!!!
Not classy at all…Jill is way too good for him. ABC should have picked older women for this season…but then there may not have been as much drama, which is what they are after.
Karebear –
I’ve been saying the same thing for years. Why can’t they get some older WOMEN on the Bachelor!?And by “older” I mean in their 30s! But you answered it…b/c there wouldn’t be nearly as much drama. Or nearly as many bikini shots!
Meaghan #366 Thank you for responding. I honestly am thinking that this story is more likely than anything else that realitysteve posted….
Anyway, That was the latest spoiler I received and feel like that this “could be more likely up the alley” than all the previous spoilers….seriously, I don’t think ABC would do something so bad or set someone up because it will eventually hurt them…but who am I??
Anyway, if you didn’t read my latest scoop, bottom line is yes he picks Mel but it was the phone call to her parents after the “final” rose that made him go over the balcony and cry. Her parents felt it was too fast, etc and should take time………read my previous statement for the rest #365
#365, thats probably the best “theory” or “explanation” I’ve heard about all of this so far. We’l just have to see.
Best part of this week’s show…. Fred and Noelle!!!! They were some of the best of the last two seasons… and to see them together just makes me smile!!! YEAH!
Hugs back to ya Meaghan. That menu sounds like a fine idea for Monday night! Oh and I didn’t see a reply (but I don’t have my glasses on), TPTB stands for “the powers that be” (aka the producers and ABC).
Tif – I had seen that spoiler as well about the crying on the balcony, though #369 this is crazy’s posting makes alot of sense. Have we bought into the hype? Absoulutely, but I’m having fun and honestly that’s all that this should be about.
I apologize because I can’t find thepost right now, I think it might be on the other thread. Kudos to whoever posted that ABC should consider matching up the rejects from the other shows, they seem to have more luck with that then anything.
If you haven’t listened to the interview that Reality Steve has with Megan Parris you should. It is very informative and she shines a light on ABC and editing. And she isn’t a bitch that ABC portrayed her as.
365- I think that’s a very realistic theory. But if Jason seriously does that crying act over the balcony because Melissa’s parents have a bit of sanity and urge them to go slow then he is a bigger d’bag than I thought. Seriously- all those melodramatics over that!?
Angie- sorry, I haven’t listened to Megan’s interview but I still don’t buy into the editing garbage. Of course those painted in a bad light will try to defend themselves and claim “It’s the editing.” Why wouldn’t she put on a nice face for an interview? I’m tired of hearing the “editing” excuse. If you roll your eyes as much as Megan does, you are probably not a nice person. I stopped rolling my eyes at people after my pre-teen years so she gets a big WHATEVER (*as I put my hands in the classic W shape*).
Rachel~I just think that the editing is done to make certain women as “characters” in the show. I just thought the interview was interesting on her take on what they (producers and casting people) promised her and didn’t come through. And if you don’t think they edit then yes I am rolling my eyes.
365 — If TB keeps the participants (esp the F2) under lock & key, so as not to spoil the ending for viewers, would Melissa REALLY have been allowed to call home to share the news? Wouldn’t that be a breach of the confidentiality contracts they sign?
If, in fact, she did call home to her disapproving parents, wouldn’t that be more proof that RS’s conspiracy theory is bang on?!? We’ve never seen any other contestant call home to share the news. Why this year?
Also…
Why did they only leave 1/2 hr of a 2 hr WTA for the women to tell all. Why did they use filler for 3/4 of that WTA? That makes me suspicious. Also the heavy editing in favour of Molly.
I listened to RS’s interview with Megan today & she seemed to think the conspiracy theory explained A LOT.
I’m not usually one for conspiracy theories, but this one is starting to seem more likely.
If these rumors were true, why would Jillian agree to go back as a bachelorette? If it is so setup and phony you know Jillian, the most level headed of the bunch, wouldn’t have anything else to do with the show. You people make things up and start believing it. Stop! Why can’t it just be that Jason picked Melissa then realized she isn’t the right one. It happens all of the time in real life. He always had an attraction to Molly and he went with it. He didn’t want to hurt Melissa, do you really believe he did? That’s crazy. He’s not a dirtbag. He’s a guy who did what was right for himself and his son. I’m glad Jason had the sense to break it off with Melissa and go for the one he really thinks will be good for him.
Angie- no I know there is editing. I’m not that naive. I’m just not buying into the excuse that editing can make someone seem like a bitch. Sure- they probably only showed Megan’s (or Natalie even) worst moments and neglected to show another aspect of her personality. But they certainly didn’t create those moments out of nothing. Eye rolls, attitude, talking smack about the other women- it all came across to me loud and clear that she can get pretty nasty. But hey- I don’t care. I watch the show to see the cat fights and awkward moments so Megan & Natalie made the show worth while IMO.
#367 – I think this season has been the craziest as far as gossip goes…there has always been gossip in the past, but never a crazy conspiracy theory that caught such a huge wind like this (or not from what I remember).
Hello All,
Hubba Hubba this is a lot to take in, a couple thoughts(ok 5…) though:
1) If they haven’t filmed ATFR part 2 yet then when will it air, do we know yet?
2) Has RS given any type of indication to who he is, and how he came to receive this privileged info from a “reliable source”
3) OMG I would have been happy with more Fred and Noelle time and less spray tan (material girl in a material word!!!)
4) I love Jillian to DEATH but have to say that the Bach-ette Show may not be the best venue for her to find true love, I really like her and don’t want to get turned against as has happened with the j-man, and Deehhanna.
5) Shopgirl…does your name a reference to You’ve Got Mail, cal me curious!
ok that was material wor*L*d
Rose I agree with you 100%.
Hugs back at ya Meaghan!!!
#375 – I think your version sounds the most realistic. We shall see what happens!
We hear over and over again about the editing that goes on and how the producers ask questions designed to “stir the pot”, it is true folks. Yes, the girls have to give them some material – if they are nice all the time, they don’t get air time. By all accounts, Kari was very nice and helpful to all the girls…and most of us were, “who is Kari”? The nickname for her was “Care Bear” in the house….
I found it interesting that Megan said that TPTB told her she would not have to go more than 5 days without seeing her son…and then didn’t deliver. I also found it interesting that she was a three time all american lacrosse player. We don’t know any of these girls or TPTB…I’m just saying.
I think ABC should have a show where the audience picks for the bachelor/bachelorette. WE should call in and vote people to stay and at the end the bachelor is contractually obligated to date the final two for 3 months. Then they have a follow up show – a real last chance date, lol and a final rose ceremony. We can’t do any worse than then the ABC story line…
Anyone agree with me???
Sorry, one more thing…ABC would still control the edit but the bach would have to be truthful in private interviews with the audience or get stuck with someone he really did not like!
#388 – ATFR2 airs on 3/3, the day after the finale. Post #135 by Sprite’s gives a little info on RS and how he may have come to receive the scoop.
I’ve got a theory, sorry if it’s been said, no time to read through 390 posts to find out, I just want to say it out loud to someone.
He picks Melissa, but finds out Molly is a little bit pregnant after first base in the tent, so has to go with Mol.
My theory, sticking to it.
did anyone see Jason on The View today? Missed it due to weather warnings on t.v. interested in hearing what he said.
I am watching right now and he said that he would not be involved in any conspiracy…meaning asking Mel then going to Mol
Did anyone see the commercial during Ugly Betty last night where Melissa was shown in a gold/yellow dress?? At the very beginning of the season the “winner” was shown in blue. WHAT IS GOING ON???
Yes, #399 – I SAW THIS TOO! I’ve been waiting for the light blue/periwinkle dress to appear again as well….after seeing that commercial last night, I rewound the DVR & watched in slow-mo twice. No sign of the light blue dress they showed in Episode 1 “season preview” …. But there was a quick shot of him in a serious lip-lock with DeANNNA – my guess its from previous season – who knows anymore. It’s like a mystery novel more than a romance these days.
#400 I was surprised no one is mentioning it. I went back and watched the trailer on you tube. They definitely show the light blue dress, but I swear the first time I saw it I remember him swinging around someone with long dark hair. It was too far away to see on the youtube trailer. Melissa also is wearing her hair up in the one from yesterday. But if you go back and watch it you can see how they edited it so it looks like the girls are talking about DeAnna when they are talking about someone else around the pool. ABC makes it seem like it is DeAnna… but she clearly hasn’t been on yet and wasn’t on at that time. Go back and watch it seriously, ABC is a bunch of scoundrels!!! I went to some other sites and they think the dress color might be photoshopped. This is just CRAZY!
pk, did the ladies of the view give him a hard time? what was the tone of the interview. i have been trying to get the episode up on ABC but having no luck. i really must get a life.
I didn’t get to see it, but here’s the snippets that a girlfriend told me. She said they were brutal.
He said that it wasn’t a set up at all.
He didn’t answer if he was engaged. Said the girl is moving to Seattle.
They asked if he slept with them and he said he wouldn’t talk about what he does behind closed doors and then said that physical was an important part of deciding (gag).
He said he has feelings for all the girls including Jill.
What was really interesting about The View interview was him not saying he was engaged, when he was asked point blank if he was. Back in December, he couldn’t stop saying he was engaged in interviews. Also, when he gave his answer that he would not participate in anything that was a “conspiracy” from the beginning, that WAS NOT the rumor Elizabeth asked him about. She asked some modified version which would basically be him changing his mind before he finishes proposing [I've actually never heard that rumor]. I’m starting to think he really DOES dump Mel at the AFTR1. But I never thought it was scripted from the beginning. I think he just cheats on Mel with Mol. Yes, I still think he’s Manwhore Melba.
He said he was engaged in interviews back in December? Interesting. Ha, well that’s funny if he brought up the conspiracy when that’s not even what she asked about.
I’ve seen reference to e-mails sent between Jason & Melissa referenced on a few blog sites. According to these sites, the e-mails are what “prove” the fact that Jason is a d’bag and wanted to choose Molly all along. Does anyone know if these e-mails are posted on any site? They continue to be mentioned, but no one wants to post them for the sake of “privacy”.
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406 – Tiffany#2: I know Reality Steve said he didn’t want to post them because of Melissa’s right to privacy, and I’ve seen similar things on FORT. Guess we’ll never really know what those e-mails says unless Melissa gets angry enough to release them. I wonder if her forwarding them is a violation of that multi-million dollar contract clause? I’m betting even if it is, Fleiss isn’t going to have the b*lls to sue her if it turns out they really did string her along [or even if it just turns out they helped Jason cheat on her].
# 371 i bet is the most truthful. i think most of the bachelors and contestents are so swept away by the vacations and extreme dates and sex they are thrown out,they don’t know their true feelings,hence falling for 2 0r 3 woman. it is just lust. jason is so insecure,he picked a niave 24 year old that seemed enamored of him,then they dates in the real world and her being 24,got cold feet. how many 24 year old girls want to leave their city and be with a single dad 8 year solder? makes sense him crying was that he regrets not picking molly. doubt that will last either. seems they all got caught up,but i doubt R.S is right that he wanted molly and they told him to pick melissa. Abc though probably didn’t want another complete fiasco and helped jason get with molly again.
# 400 & 401 – There is an interview w/ Jason at people dot com and there are pics of the final two. Melissa is definately in a golden colored dress and Molly is wearing the blue dress.
Oh, and for everyone commenting about the dress colors, if you look on FORT, some people had figured out from blowing up the screencaps that TPTB changed the color of the dress, and you can tell it was a lighter color like gold. Not to mention, both girls had on pinky rings and got French manicures. TPTB weren’t playing around this season….
RS has new info up with a link to another media person who claims to have known this same dirt (conspiracy and all). It still seems a bit crazy, but it seems more and more like RS might be totally right. The way they are handling Jason, and the ambiguous things he’s been saying back it up. We’re definitely going to be mad Monday night, though. Either ABC set us up, or RS set us up.
If the 2nd After the Final Rose hasn’t been filmed (according to Chris Harrison) could it be that they are going to do it live on Tuesday and then Jason will propose to Molly?
I’m finally watching the View from the other day with jason on there there were several points that I think back up this huge secret from RS:
When Joy asks Jason about Melissa and he’s talking about how great she is, yada yada yada and everyone is giggling/clapping I heard Joy said “and she’s available” but it was sort of drowned out.
Jason says with Molly there’s “a balance”
He looked so nervous when he first sat down and they were drilling him on whether or not he’s engaged….I think its b/c he hasn’t asked her yet! I say the proposal will be live on Tuesday!
I also believe him that there was no conspiracy on ABC’s part…I think they’ll do whatever in terms of splicing and dicing in the editing room but as far as ABC actually having any control in his relationship – no way…we live in a democracy after all.
Also I’m not condoning his actions (like seeing Molly behind Mel’s back), if they are proven to be true, but I do want to point out that it takes balls for him to go on the View and answer those questions…the girls on the View were pretty direct and they basically asked him many of our own questions. I’m sure if it was this big conspiracy ABC wouldn’t have allowed him to go on there and face the fire…they’d yank him off of the circuit until the show(s) aired. But what do I know?
I can’t believe I am still reading all these posts and won’t leave this alone…BUT I got my new US Weekly in the mail today and it talks about RS and the conspiracy theory…..it also has a picture of him and Melissa and she is in a gold/yellow dress. I found that interesting as there have not been any shots/photos of that in the previews and that it was the only photo of the like with a NZ background… I seem to only recall the blue one from the beginning. Also did anyone notice how FAKE the ‘pinky ring’ was on Molly’s hand in the previews they aired on WTA?
For those interested, RS has posted the outcome of the ATFR 2 taping today (Friday)….pretty interesting!
Poor Ty!
#415 – they are going to run poor Jillian through a ringer next season.
And I’m pretty sure old Mol wasn’t surprised by Jason’s change of heart. Puh-lease. I give them three months. And I hope to never hear from either of them ever again.
Agreed – Molly wasn’t surprised at J’s change of heart. Why would he do this on camera if he didn’t already know Molly’s response?? Hard for me to believe that one.
As much as I like Jillian – why would she do this? Surprised she isn’t ready to move on…but I wish her the best!
Well, rats. I read the latest RS spoiler, and now I’m sorry. Someone gave him a complete dump from the ATFR2, including viewing the finale & the ATFR1. It’s all over now
I’m wishing I’d taken Lincee’s route. If anyone doesn’t want to be further utterly spoiled, DO NOT go read RS at this point.
I am NOT going to check out RS website for the latest scoop…hopefully no one posts about that here? okay that’s sort of naive of me…I better abstain from checking here any further…guess I need to get back to real life!
I’m with you Cat. So far I have been able to avoid reading the latest from RS. Will I be able to avoid this thread too? I don’t know. I “think” I know what happens but I’ll just wait for Tuesday. Of course you may want to start a stopwatch and see how long I’m able to hold out.
I agree 100% with aeh27, #74…..this is ridiculous. Someone made this up and is getting a kick out of how everyone is reacting.
Well, I saw Jason on The View denying that this was planned from the beginning…and I could not help but think it was a partial truth. Maybe not in the beginning but by the time the tent scene happened with Molly, the producers could see the writing on the wall. That is why they barely showed any footage of Molly and Jason, so we could not see the connection that they had. I think Jason (Mr. Psychology) himself was manipulated by the show.
I think they were hoping to have Melissa as the next bach’ette, however, she wouldn’t do it because she was so pissed. The producers are really lucky that Jill was so likeable.
This season on the Bachelor………. Who’s on first, What’s on second, I Don’t Know is on third…………… and I don’t give a darn is our shortstop. But it sure is fun to watch and read the comments.
Hey, here’s an interesting twist: TV Guide describes the ATFR #2 as “A season recap featuring Jason and the bachelorette he selected at the final rose ceremony—as well as the one he didn’t. Included: updates on all three.”
So maybe all this drama about him changing his mind, etc…really is just a wild false guess! Maybe Jason really isn’t the bad guy after all!
Here’s hoping!
would they really devote an extra hour to how the three of them are doing, AFTER the ATFR #1 ? I think all this speculation about him being with Molly is true – maybe not the conspiracy, but his being with Molly now…..
Can we discuss the show here until Lincee posts? ATFR is just about to start. While I don’t buy the whole conspiracy thing, I do think Melissa is about to get her heart broken on TV.
Gotta give kudos to RS – Jason just told Chris “they’re not right for each other”. Oh give me a break. Meaghan were are you when I need to vent? He sounds just like my ex. I just hope he isn’t about to dump her on the show.
Wow-It looks like all the rumors that we have heard are true. I’m just wondering if this was all schemed up by producers or if he actually DID change his mind. thoughts?
Do you think he dumped her before or do you think that this is really the first time she has heard this?
She is a lot calmer than I would be.
Stupid Molly. She told him after she was let go that Melissa would wake up one day and not be happy and leave him. Trying to scare him about getting hurt again. Now on ATFR she admits that Melissa is a great girl who would love him forever.
Molly and Jason are both dirtbags who deserve each other.
it looked to me melissa was genuine and shocked,but molly and jason,no way. she took him back with a smug smile,I’m sorry,they were together and talking way before this show.
how classy of jason,poor divorced dad hurt by deanna,to dump his fiance after only 6 weeks on national t.v no balls. he could of done all this in private. hope the $$$$ was worth it.
I don’t understand how jason could be in love and fall out of love in less than 2 months??? he is a dad and was married before. does he expect an neverending romance cared for by ABC??? hes not 22,hes 32.
I can understand how most of these couples break up. real life is never fancy hotels,no internet or jobs ,exotic trips and endless people doing all your thinking. but you would think if he was the man thay want us to think he was,he would of taken his time with melissa
I’m angry. Think about it. Melissa, Molly, and Jason were all in on this. Melissa’s parents wanted no part of it. That’s why they wouldn’t be involved. Melissa was acting, Molly was acting, and so was Jason. The whole thing was a sham and the audience was taken. I will not watch the show anymore. ABC – you suck.
MELISSA COULDN\’T HAVE BEEN TOO MUCH IN LOVE SINCE SHE HAS A BOYFRIEND ALREADY.
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