Bachelor Peter Finale Recap: Hello Babs

Well, here we are, just one live show away from finally understanding why this season’s Bachelor is the thing unnecessarily hyped-up dreams are made of and I couldn’t be less interested in the outcome.

I am, however, extremely interested in Babs. 

It’s clear that Mike Fleiss detected from the moment Mrs. Peter Sr. stepped off of Australia Air flight 4532 decked out in a colorful strapless blouse, that she was a force of motherly nature. Most women her age would cower at the thought of wearing a garment one might also find hanging in Hannah Ann’s closet. They imagine a fashion penalty flag. INAPPROPRIATE ATTIRE. TEN YARDS. 

Barb, on the other hand, kicks the penalty flag aside, leading the way for her husband and younger son who have bigger fish to fry. The time has come to choose a daughter-in-law. Everyone must be on their game and if that means a garment without a neckline or sleeves, so be it.

When Peter arrives at the Alice Springs Airbnb, Barbara daintily weeps tears of joy. She hasn’t seen her sweet baby boy in literal weeks and a piece of her has been missing. HER BUD IS BACK IN HER ARMS and that is where he will stay. Now tell your Mama about these evil women who want to take you away from her. 

Peter participates in the family hug and the official Weber handshake before settling down on the couch to provide a pro/con list of both remaining women. 

Peter: “Madison is the one you met at the vow renewal. She was my first date. Hannah Ann was my first impression rose. Madison also wasn’t comfortable with me being intimate with the others girls and when I was honest with her, we said good-bye that night. The good news is that she’s back. And we’ve been on a constant climb since the beginning.”

Pete Sr., Babs, and Jack do their best not to blackball Madison in that exact moment. They use phrases like “it’s a shame” and “this concerns me a lot” and “we’ll try to look past it,” but Peter senses the animosity toward the woman who dare shun him in the bedroom department. He changes the topic by pumping up Hannah Ann, who will be arriving any moment to win the hearts of the Webers. 

Peter: “Hannah Ann is the perfect combination of sheer beauty, innocence, and confidence. She’s the biggest sweetheart you’ll ever meet.”
Babs: “She sounds like you my sweet baby boy!”

In the words of the great philosopher Britney Spears, he’s not…that…innocent. Oh baby, baby. 

HANNAH ANN

Hannah Ann arrives in her most presentable outfit that conveys purity both in its lack of cleavage and respectable hemline below the kneecap. The fact that the dress material was a replica of a pattern worn by Laura Ingalls Wilder in the 1974 pilot of Little House on the Prairie (which happens to be Bab’s favorite sitcom) was a happy coincidence. 

While Peter kisses and rubs his nose on her shoulder, Hannah Ann admits that the best part of this entire experience was getting to know Peter. She loves him to bits and she’s “proud to be a part of him,” which I find is odd phrasing. Babs does not. She’s elated and even sees Hannah Ann and Baby Boy Bud reflected in her own relationship with Pete Sr. It’s like looking in a mirror!

You see, Babs loves her son with all of her heart (I had no idea) and she never, ever, ever wants an evil woman to even think for a moment of changing him. Fortunately, Hannah Ann totally gets it and promises that they will grow each other and make each other better. She then lays it on really, really thick, gushing to Babs that she loves Bud more than anything and is happy with her decision to go all in and be completely present during this process. 

Hannah Ann wins over Peter Sr. with one phrase: “It was love at first sight.” Our mustache-loving pilot totally gets Hannah Ann’s vibe, due to the fact that he fell once really hard for a certain flight attendant named Barbara. Samesies! 

Pete Sr. is eager to slap his son on the back and give him the blessing he knows Bud is waiting for, but jukes when he notices Bud is conflicted. This shocks Pete. Hannah Ann is perfect. What’s the problem?

Madison is the problem. Bud reminds his dad that Hannah Ann and Madison both have his heart and this decision won’t be easy. Pete Sr. hugs his son and tells him that the decision will come. At the time, we all thought that meant that Peter would eventually make a choice and be happy with the outcome. 

We had no idea that “the decision will come” was code for Hurricane Barbara is going to make this a lot easier for you by omitting part of the competition. 

MADISON 

Madison exits the SUV wearing a basic black tank top and distressed jeans. She looks miserable. Sad. Exhausted. At odds with herself. Seconds away from recording a country album. 

Peter is concerned. He leads her to an Australian version of the roaming bench so they can discuss important, life-altering things before sending this woman into the lion’s den. Madison’s lackluster sparkle comes from a place of disappointment. She can’t get over the fact that Peter chose to put his feelings and needs above hers that night in Peru. 

Scooting in closer to the woman he CLEARLY loves, Peter apologizes before mentioning that Madison is the only one who has not told him how she truly feels. Using context clues, I did the math and figured out that by process of elimination, we can deduce that Hannah Ann HAS told him how she feels. #mathlete

He also shares that he didn’t appreciate the ultimatum she gave him but is glad she was honest in her truth. 

Madison holds her own. The decision Peter makes effects him, sure, but it also affects MADISON. She also reminds Peter that it’s really easy to hold back and guard yourself when you are on the receiving end of the game where another person chooses you or not. She’s not confident. She has no peace. And she doesn’t like that feeling. 

Then things go topsy turvy. For some reason, Madison shares that if Peter had dropped to one knee on the big building they climbed forever ago (read three days), and asked her to marry him, she would have said yes. Peter cracks a smile. Madison tells him that by NOT walking away from him, she’s showing him how she’s fighting for this relationship. Peter smiles really big. 

Then she drops the L-Bomb and all is well. Peter is ready to present this emotional wreck of a person to his family unit and pave the way for happily ever after. 

The National Weather Service has issued a tropical storm warning off the coast of Australia. We’ll be watching the radar, as it is expected for the system will increase to a category hurricane during the next commercial break. 

Madison arrives to three sour faces staring back in her direction. This is quite a different welcome from the last time she saw these people sloshed on a crate of celebratory champagne schlepped into the Weber’s backyard by the ABC Intern. Peter rips the Band-Aid and inaugurates the reunion with an easy breezy, “We hit a bit of a road block, thanks to different expectations.”

The Webers ask for some elaboration, so Madison is forced to tell three people about how it would be hard for her to move forward on this journey if this guy next to her (who happens to be related to the three sitting across the room) were to sleep with other women. 

Pete Sr. invites Madi to join him out back so he can dissect this cryptic message. Does she see them as a compatible couple? Madi answers honestly. There are a lot of differences. But they’ve had conversations about how her faith is important. In fact, Peter admitted that he wanted to grow in his faith and she clung to that. Perhaps she clung too soon. Bottom line: She wants Peter to be happy and if it’s meant to be between them, then it will happen. He deserves someone very special. 

Things are a little different in the other room with Bud and Brother Jack. 

Jack: “Bro, can you really not have sex until you’re fully married?”
Lincee: “Bro, what does ‘fully married’ mean?”
Peter: “Yeah. Because I’m choosing to do that.”

Jack: “But bro, she’s like in ministry and stuff. What if you get home from a trip and you’re out line dancing in the club. Is that something she would do?”
Lincee: “I hope not. Line dancing is an unfortunate genre that has swept the nation like plant-based meats or former Bachelor contestant celebrity podcasts. I blame Billy Ray Cyrus.”

Jack: “I just don’t want to see you compromise any level of yourself.”
Peter: “That’s what you do in a relationship. Of course I’m going to compromise.”

Jack: “I just see a perfect girl on one side without any issues. Then there’s Madison who raises a lot of red flags.”
Lincee: “You just want to stand by Hannah Ann in the Weber Family Christmas card this year. Calm down, Jack.”

The National Weather Service has issued a disturbance off the coast of Australia. The tropical storm has been raised to a Category I hurricane. Proceed with caution.

Madison sits on the couch as Babs drones on an on about how much she loves her son more than anything in the world. FYI: Peter is not religious. How is Madison even considering a relationship with someone who is not on her same level of faith? Moreover, his lifestyle is different. He socializes. He parties. He has sex. And she doesn’t want anyone to change her sweet, baby Bud. He is who he is and they are happy with Peter Weber. 

Mic drop. 

But wait! Madison retrieves the mic from it’s dropped position and defends herself!

“His decision to get physical with someone else was up to him. I let him know my expectations because it’s my journey too. I didn’t tell him what to do. All I said was that it would be hard for me to continue down this path. At the end of the day, you have to ask yourself if this is worth fighting for? What we want. What we need What we expect.”

And that’s the moment Madison decided to tap out of this race. She admitted to herself that they are on different pages. She must be wise in this decision.

Because “til death do us part” includes the mother-in-law. 

The anticipointment is killing Barb, because when her baby boy walks in from telling Madison good-bye, she breaks down and weeps into her son’s arms. Let the record show that Peter did not looked thrilled by this turn of events. Why the tears? Here’s a smattering of what we learn through Bab’s snotty tears:

  • Madison is not there for Peter.
  • Babs said a prayer last night for the Lord to guide Peter. 
  • Peter has a gem waiting for him named Hannah Ann.
  • She is head-over-heels in love.
  • God put Hannah Ann in his life as a mother’s answered prayer. 
  • Deep in his heart, he knows she’s right because there are too many “issues.”
  • Madison is sweet and lovely, but Hannah Ann is an angel on earth.
  • A mother’s intuition is never wrong.  

Pete Sr. steps in to provide some balance. He asks his son, “Where are you at?”

My Mama would say, “between the A and the T” and ask me to rephrase the question. 

Peter bursts out that he is crazy for Madison. Jack wonders why he’s willing to risk something perfect for something that he hopes will materialize? Pete Sr. likens this to Bud being in love with Hannah Brown last year. Babs jumps on this bandwagon. Remember how Hannah Brown picked the wrong guy? Don’t risk missing out on the perfect girl! Why is Hannah Ann not the immediate choice? 

Peter begins to seethe. “You don’t know the Madi I know. You have to trust me as much as I trust you.”

The National Weather Service has issued a hurricane warning off the coast of Australia. CATEGORY 5! TAKE COVER!

Babs starts crying big time. We witness the now infamous, “Don’t let her go. Bring her home to us.” speech that has produced countless memes for our enjoyment. The guilt is slathered on thick with the following:

  • We will welcome her with all the love in the world.
  • She is a dream come true.
  • God placed her here for you.
  • This is what love stories are made of.

And then Pete blows a gasket. 

“YOU HAVE TO STOP DOING THIS. YOU DON’T KNOW HER. THIS IS DESTROYING ME. THIS IS INSANE BEHAVIOR. YOU CAN’T DO THIS TO ME.”

Babs, who has never heard one of her boys raise his voice above the gentle hum of a whispering wind is taken aback. She pulls him into her bosom and utters how much she loves him over and over and over again. 

MADISON ONE-ON-ONE

I’m going to make this date quick, because flying around the big red rock in a helicopter was uneventful, except for the part where Madi confesses via voiceover that it’s time to surrender. 

Brutal. 

She begins her breakup speech by telling Peter that when you want something so badly, you can’t see clearly. Unfortunately, she doesn’t believe they can give each other what they need. Yes, she’s a warrior and a fighter, but being a good fighter is knowing when to surrender. Because love will always conquer all, she’s willing to walk away so Peter can get what he came to find.

Spoiler: That’s Madison. So technically, if she leaves, he’ll get what his mother wants him to find. 

Peter is confused because he thought Madison said she would marry him on top of the big tower. How has that changed? 

It’s called time and perspective, Bud. 

Peter wants to know if this is because of “that night.” The answer is “sort of.” She doesn’t want him to feel that he has to change for her and she definitely doesn’t think she should have to change for him. Even though she wants this to happen, she has to be realistic and consider what is smart and wise. She doesn’t believe they are the best for each other. 

Peter mumbles, “Alright” and then they stare at each other and silently wipe tears and wayward flies out of their faces while ominous music plays. If ABC could have landed the rights, I’m confident it would have been anything from Adele’s 25 album. 

Somewhere across town, a mother toasts the good news with her younger son and husband. The flutes were not filled with sparkling apple juice. 

HANNAH ANN ONE-ON-ONE

Peter tells us that he’s in love with Hannah Ann, but anyone watching this show feels sorry for the twenty-three-year-old model because there’s no way she won’t see this footage and think, “Yeah, he’s just not that into me.”

Perhaps she can date Jack?

Sidebar: In his state mandated mentor time with Harrison, I noticed that Pete’s linen shirt was awfully wrinkled. Our Host’s was not. Thank you ABC Intern for slapping an iron on that material so Hare can continue to look good even when he’s rocking some salt-n-pepper scruff. 

Moving on. 

Peter and Hannah Ann pet baby orphaned kangaroos all day long and then sit on the ground to talk about how much Hannah Ann loves him in case he didn’t already know. Peter thanks her for always being there and never wavering. Hannah Ann smiles, but she detects that something is off. 

Way to hone in on that intuition, Hannah Ann! 

She needs to take advantage of the time she has left. Home girl can feel that she’s in second place and runner-up just will not do. She slips into her tightest spandex dress with the cold small intestine and invites Peter to picture their future together. 

Then she tells him that she wants Peter to choose her only if he truly loves her.

Interesting. Is this filming reversed? Or is Peter keeping Madison’s exit a secret because he does not yet know if he’s going to choose Hannah Ann at the end of this ordeal?

We see Hannah Ann in what is presumably a white proposal dress. We see Peter in his proposal suite as Our Host breaks the “we just learned this” news. We also see new footage of Hare asking MADISON if she thinks she made a mistake? 

And then OHCH reminds the audience that even Peter doesn’t know how this is going to end.

Perhaps Peter decides to propose to Hannah Ann. Right before he does it, Harrison comes up to him and discloses that they just learned (five hours ago) that Madison has changed her mind. Peter calls off the proposal and tells Hannah Ann in the hallway that he is so so sorry. He then agrees to date Madison for a while to test their compatibility. 

The live show will tell if Madison is ready to be exclusive or cut all ties, because that would truly be the most dramatic ending ever. Especially if she peaces out.

We’ll learn tonight!

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Mollie A
Mollie A

Wow, What a recap! You really captured all the little things. Mama Babs…SMH. I’m proud of Peter for standing up to her. What I found interesting was how the crocodile tears stopped instantly the moment he told her to stop. Also, I was surprised we didn’t get a black modesty box on HA as she stood up in her orange spandex dress. Frankly, I’m so over this season. I look forward to wrapping it up (hopefully) tonight and catching your Podcast later this week. Thanks for another excellent season of recapping, Lincee!

Rachel
Rachel

This was SO GOOD!

Kathy Clepper
Kathy Clepper

Just going to start by saying, this has been the worst season of the Bachelor since Juan Pablo, Peter is way too wishy washy to make a life changing decision and it looks like he’s been relying on Barbara and Peter Sr. to make most of his decisions so far in life. That was just painful to watch. I can only imagine how Hannah is going to feel after she watches what was basically, “can I settle for the second place girl” and how Madison is going to feel when she hears Peter’s mother bad mouthing her to her son. Dear Lord, can this just be over. Other than that, great recap Lincee, I look forward to your poscast with Some guy.

Yes
Yes

Agreed! He does seem pretty enmeshed with his parents.

Cathy Denis
Cathy Denis

I think you’re spot on with your theory!

Sarah
Sarah

In Peru he’s a Pachi. In Australia, he’s a Bud. [laughing emoji]

Can’t wait for tonight! Maybe OHCH will rock more salt-n-pepper scruff. [heart emoji]

Rosa
Rosa

This recap deserves a Nobel Prize for literature!! The first 2 paragraphs about Barb were spot on!!! LOL There is no way this ends well with a) Hannah seeing how much he loves Madi and b) Madi seeing how Barb shunned her. Poor Peter!! I needed more reference to the flies and I thought for sure you would have mentioned Pete’s sad sad Hanes t-shirt and hoodie sweater he wore on HA’s last date!! It was terrible! I can’t believe Delta (or whoever) has not fired him yet. No way I’d want him flying my plane in the distressed state he’s been in for the past 2 weeks.

KarenD
KarenD

Haha! I thought the same about his wardrobe. Awful.

Jenna
Jenna

Ugh. Could his mom be a MORE manipulative?!

MelissaH
MelissaH

I agree completely. She’s awful and I sure wouldn’t want to be her daughter-in-law!

Yesi
Yesi

Could not have her as a mother in law trying to pull the strings all the time either! Seeing them together, was a “well that answers that!” moment!

tracee
tracee

nobody puts Barb in the corner

contrarian
contrarian

…which doesn’t mean someone shouldn’t try. Two words came to mind as I watched Babs on full-gush: ball gag — but not in a mean way.

AnnyFanny
AnnyFanny

lol! Thanks for that, oh contrarian.

Rebecca
Rebecca

Now we know why Peter gave in to all the emotional manipulation from the other women this season. He’s been doing it his whole life.

Laura
Laura

So true!!! His Mom is a drama queen and manipulates the entire family. I feel sorry for both her sons.

Allia
Allia

Explains a lot about Pete’s taste in women!
I was NOT impressed with her cry-speech, but I think she was also just seeing what everyone else is seeing. Madison is not there for Peter… she’s there for a reformed version of Peter, moulded exactly to her expectations (read: a carbon copy of her dad). Peter is enamoured with the chase, but it will inevitably wear off. Nobody wants a lifetime of being reminded that they don’t meet the bar. He’s a good guy and he deserves someone who will embrace him for who he is, and have a peaceful life. Not gonna happen with Madi… that’s a life of her way or the highway and apologizing for being himself.

malgorzata
malgorzata

I totally agree, but one thing you missed: Peter wants to be reformed (per conversation with his brother Jack). Perhaps , out of boredom or challenging himself (from a bedroom to the monastery) Is it attainable in 2020, California living ? Hey, he was seen with Justin Bieber in the same church recently, and as you know Bieber is married to a hot model, Pastor Steve Baldwin’s daughter… Interesting…

AnnyFanny
AnnyFanny

I thought I wanted to be reformed too. I lasted 13 years (only because of the kids) finally gave up when, in the course of trying to work things out we were discussing one of our original disagreements, and he said “your opinion wasn’t worthy of my respect”.

Tasha
Tasha

Oh snap and f*** that guy. wow.
Sorry I am being triggered by my ex who loved me as long as I stayed skinny enough.

Laura
Laura

Agreed. She is sooooo awful!!

tracee
tracee

Peter and JoJo’s Moms need to party together on TV……Way more interesting than their kids

Linda
Linda

I think you should also include Brian Abasolo’s mom in this group! Remember how she grilled Rachel about her baby boy (a 40yo Dr.)? She actually told Rachel during their hometown that she would kill Rachel if she ever hurt her precious Brian. I felt terrible for Rachel for picking Brian and now having that woman as a MIL.

tracee
tracee

yes!!!!! They can go to Paradise and consult

AnnyFanny
AnnyFanny

Brilliant!

Dana P
Dana P

Excellent recap of what was an excruciating episode,
except for scenes of adorable kangaroos.

Kudos to Madi for politely standing her ground in the face of Hurricane Babs (a/k/a MIL from hell). And who thinks Peter prefers Madi because she is far more of a challenge than Hannah Ann?

SKaty
SKaty

I agree that he wants Madi because she is more of a challenge. But I also think he knows she is a great girl from a great family and Madi will give him a reason to get away from his cra cra mom! Mom was way out of line and I think Peter called her out on it. Honestly, Madi is way too good for Peter and Barb.

contrarian
contrarian

Agree 100%. Elaborating on your point about Madison’s gravitational pull on Peter’s heart: it seems he intuitively senses what he may not (yet) fully share or understand, which is what it means to have a personal relationship with Christ. Seeing that shine through Madison is wonderful, although I understand not everyone would have that reaction. I’m guessing Babs could find it threatening to her world order.

AnnyFanny
AnnyFanny

I thank God someone fixed her mascara.

AnnieLu
AnnieLu

Great recap, as usual! Men are so predictable! He wants Madison because she’s “unattainable” and he scorns Hannah Ann because she’s all in.

I’ve really enjoyed this season. Sure, the girls (and I’m deliberately using that word) were shrill and particularly contentious. But Peter seems like a nice guy. I have appreciated that he can put together a full sentence, and seems authentically kind and emotionally intelligent. Unlike some of the other bachelors . . .

I do wonder why it took so long for Madison to tell Peter about her “life choices.” I smell a rat – um – an ABC producer. You know they work hard to ensure that each season is “the most dramatic season ever!” Maybe they paid Madison off to do this entire will-she-won’t-she routine. Just a thought.

Carrie
Carrie

Yes, also, Peter did not seem decimated by Madi leaving. It did seem scripted. Just like the Becca script with the fake breakup, probably all planned beforehand.

AnnyFanny
AnnyFanny

Though I thought he genuinely seemed surprised to see her at the pool.

AnnyFanny
AnnyFanny

I liked Peter too, for exactly the same reasons : )

contrarian
contrarian

Maybe it’s PTSD from enduring this season, but I kept expecting Madison to cave — and hoping she wouldn’t. I guess there’s still time for that. I’ll be DVRing tonight for the fast-forward option and, if it’s truly epic, for repeat watching later.

tracee
tracee

Me too….which begs the question why did she take a spot in the final 2 away from another girl?

contrarian
contrarian

Exactly. For me, that’s really the troubling aspect of Madison’s “journey.” She seems solid in her beliefs, so why even go on the show in the first place? I’m going to assume she felt she could keep hold of the reins and inspire him to his “better self.”

The thing is, even though he ignored her stated priority, I think deep down he admired her for her constancy in the face of temptation. I think he wants to be better and hopes somehow she’ll inspire that in him.

tracee
tracee

and don’t forget Madison, along with the rest of the planet, was fully aware of the Windmill episodes……

contrarian
contrarian

Yep. I’m chalking it up to some combination of faith, ambition, and mild delusion.

AnnyFanny
AnnyFanny

I’d say medium to well-done delusion.

Elizabeth
Elizabeth

My husband and I think it is partly to demonstrate a Christian who doesn’t just espouse Christian beliefs (like Hannah Brown), but someone who actually walks the walk and talks the talk. I do think she should have been more up front with Peter about her beliefs/standards earlier in the season, but I admire her for standing up for her beliefs and convictions.

Maribeth Joyce
Maribeth Joyce

Madison has her parents “values and principles”. She is not stupid. She knew that everyone would be watching her “Journey.” I bet she would be willing to “compromise” with Peter without the cameras present. Will it last? I doubt it. Peter still has a lot of growing up to do. He needs to fly as far away from His mother’s manipulation as possible!

Bottom line. Why did Madison go on a show that encourages multiple intimate moments before marriage? Hannah B. for 4.

Bradley
Bradley

Apparently bug spray is illegal in the beautiful Australian outback. Or, the crew thought it would be fun to make the contestants even MORE uncomfortable. Will someone on the production crew please source some black market OFF or DEET before the final rose ceremony?

Erica
Erica

The “cold kidney” description of HA’s tight dress

Jeni
Jeni

“Cold small intestine” I believe. But either way, I laughed so loud!

Kathleen M
Kathleen M

“Cold small intestine” got me as well!

Sara P
Sara P

“Maybe Hannah Ann can date Jack.” Best suggestion of the whole crazy mess .

Allia
Allia

Seconds away from recording a country album.
You really captured the essence of this episode. Love it!

Peter really dug himself into a hole. This can’t possibly end well with either girl!

Babs is something else! Shaming Madi for not loving that her precious bud got down and dirty with the other ladies?! Geez… I loved how Madi stood up for hersslf.

That said, I’m also super annoyed with Madi. If she wanted to leave, she should have just left weeks ago. I’m totally over the whole game of walking away from a date, threatening to leave, “I’m hanging on by a thread” etc… she comes with 100 stipulations but at the same time doesn’t give much in return. She seems like a lovely person, but she took this way too far imho.

Sara P
Sara P

Agreed – if this issue was important to Madi, she needed to share it with Peter long before she did. Dropping it on him moments before Fantasy Suite week was really not right. Peter didn’t pick up on how important it was to her because she let it seem like it was more about jealousy than it was about beliefs.

Linda
Linda

Yeah, but how was she to know that she would make it as far as she did? I can understand not wanting to share something so personal with 7 million tv viewers if she were not to make it so far as to when that part of her beliefs would actually matter. And not for nothing, I’m pretty sure he knew he was picking her in the end-most leads do at this point. There are many leads who do not sleep with the other contestants out of respect for their final choice. I mean even playboy Nick didn’t sleep with Rachel or Raven out of respect for Vanessa. Sean didn’t sleep with any of his F3 and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he is the only Bachelor in the history of the show who is married (happily) to his final choice. I found Peter’s decisions in this area to be incredibly selfish. But I feel he was incredibly selfish, and entitled, this entire season. And I agree with Madison. I’ve always said of this show how ridiculous it is to propose, or accept a proposal, from someone who slept with someone else literally days before. In the real world that is just insane and no rational human being would tolerate that. I wonder how Peter’s mother would have felt if she knew her husband had sex with another woman 4 days before proposing to her? I’ve also heard many prior contestants who have broken up say the same. For example, Shawn after his breakup with Kaitlyn said that the fact that she slept with Nick had always been on the back of his mind. Kaitlyn knew when was picking Shawn from Day 1. She said that on record, and made him aware of that even before hometowns. Yet she disrespected him by sleeping with Nick. Same happened with Andi and Josh. Once Josh found out she slept with Nick the relationship was over for him (granted there were other serious issues but from Josh’s perspective that’s when the relationship was over for him). Same with Ben and Lauren B. She never got over the things that happened during filming with JoJo, and it took a year of trying and hoping to make those feelings go away but they never did. While yes, one can say these contestants knew what they signed up for, and maybe they think they can deal with it, but it’s quite a different matter when they are actually in that position. It’s easy to say they can cope with anything bc they so want to be that final one, but once the cameras are off and reality sets in it’s quite a different story.

Ebro
Ebro

I totally agree with you, Linda.

Trina
Trina

Between the A and the T….yes!!!! My dad used to say that all the time and I totally caught that! Haha! LOVE your recaps