Bachelor Peter Recap: Torn

It’s fantasy suite week and just like Natalie Imbruglia, Madison is torn. We pick up exactly where we left off from hometowns with Madison asking for a private audience with Peter. As she makes her way to him, looking scared to death in her white bedazzled jumpsuit she borrowed from Cher’s closet in 1967, Peter quickly becomes concerned and motions for her to sit on the roaming bench. 

Madison’s faith means everything to her and she tells our bachelor that she is saving herself for marriage. (Using the term “virgin” is so last season.) Is this the first time she’s actually shared this information with Peter? We don’t know. He didn’t fall off the community bench stunned, so there’s that.

After several minutes of hemming and hawing, Madison finally says with words, “If you were to sleep with someone else, it would be hard for me to move forward. I feel like I owe it to you to be upfront and honest about that. It’s important to me.”

Peter comes back with a solid, “What are you saying?”

Interesting. I think using context clues, we can gather what she’s saying, but I understand how Mr. Four Times would want a very black and white answer. He leads with, “It’s not necessarily fair to ask me to do that when I have other relationships.”

Madison becomes flustered. She is adamant that he not consider this an ultimatum. He can do whatever he wants to do. She’s not asking him to NOT sleep with them. She’s just informing him that if he does, she can no longer move forward in their relationship. 

Peter: “What are you saying?”
Madison: “I don’t want to tell you yes or no.”
Lincee: “That wasn’t a yes or no question. Also, oy with the poodles already.”

Peter tells her that he is crazy about her and feels good about where they are at this point. Then he kisses her and sends her back to hang with the other contestants as he tells the camera he’s just been thrown a major curveball. 

In the next shot, we see a bunch of kangaroos hopping around and a beautiful coastline. Australia is truly the most romantic place to fall in love this season. We see Peter reflect against a balcony in his kicky flamingo shirt. We see Madison reflect against a window in mom jeans. We see Hannah Ann daintily squeak a greeting to her BFF Madi and…

Wait, what?

It’s all shades of awkward and a lot of awkward shade when Victoria shows up and the three women sit on the couch staring at each other in silence. Since there are no rules, Mike Fleiss continues his evil streak by forcing them to stay with each other in the same Airbnb. EVIL I SAY!

Peter waltzes in like it’s no big deal. He grabs Hannah Ann so they can swipe a couple of jet skis and talk about life on the beach before having their own From Here to Eternity moment.

PSA: Sand in the nether regions is just as horrible as it sounds. Never recreate this famous cinematic scene. Good night and good luck.

In a nutshell, Hannah Ann gives him all sorts of confidence that she is happy to be his wife. Or not. She basically tells him that if things don’t work out with her receiving the final rose, she’s totally cool with it. Why? Because she wants him to ultimately be happy.

Sure. That and the fact that she wants nothing to do with Peter in a matrimonial sort of way. 

That night, Hannah Ann decides to speed things along by wearing a rosey pink caftan without a bra. One tug of a string and the entire thing comes tumbling down. Peter gives her the forgo card and the old timey skeleton key and they are off to the races!

We learn the infamous silhouette up against the frosted glass door to the bathroom is Hannah Ann. It was very Titanic if you ask me. Then the scene cuts to Hannah walking into the Airbnb as if Victoria and Madison have no clue what just went down twelve hours ago. (Not a euphemism.) 

Victoria gives her a perfunctory “you look cute” before asking how things went. 

Really Victoria? You feel now is the time to ask, “How did it go in your sex den last night with the man I’m about to forgo?” Ridiculous. I love it. 

Peter takes Victoria on a helicopter ride along the Gold Coast. They are dropped off at the top of a waterfall to make out for a few minutes before discussing the fact that they haven’t fought the entire day. Progress! Peter assumes this means they are on the same page and he has officially broken down all her weird communication walls. 

Victoria teeters on the edge at dinner when she starts talking about past relationships and how these jokers never asked her about her feelings. When Peter asks, she figures there’s something wrong with her so she retreats. She says “I don’t know” a few hundred times, which now rivals how many times she says the word “like.” All Peter wants to know is that he can count on her to stick around, even if their views are different. 

Peter asks her not to push him away. She listens and brings him forward in every way possible. She becomes so emotional that she uses her own hemline to wipe away the happy tears and celebratory snot. Clearly it’s true love! Why else would she be so bouncy as she walked away from their jungle cabin the next morning?

Then the scene cuts to Victoria sliding into the Airbnb as if Hannah Ann and Madison have no clue what just went down twelve hours ago. (Not a euphemism.) 

Hannah Ann gives her a perfunctory “you look skinny” before asking how things went. 

Victoria: “It was productive.” 
Lincee: “SNAP!!!”

This makes Madison sad. She leaves the room so the other two can talk about how ridiculous it is that she gave him an ultimatum. 

Madison puts all forgo card discussions on hold so she can climb a building with Peter. They ride an elevator up to the seventy-seventh floor, put on some coveralls, go outside, and then lock themselves onto the railing like they are on a Mardi Gras float. The next thirty minutes, we watch them climb steps, lose their breath, and utter OMG over and over again.

Were the pictures from way up there cool? Probably. Was it a StairMaster date? You bet it was. Did Peter liken it to every climbing, feeling safe, rely on each other analogy he could think of in the moment? Of course he did. 

The best part of this date was my watching party asking each other the following questions:

What’s up there for them to do?
Are they going to jump off or something?
Is this the part where they scale down?
Is there a zip line we can’t see?

Nope. It’s pretty exercise. Feel the burn and have fun kids!

Dinner that night is practically nonexistent. Madison hates that Peter felt like she gave him an ultimatum, but she doesn’t want to feel about her values either. She doesn’t expect him to have saved himself for marriage. That’s his prerogative. Her point is that she can’t accept a proposal if he gets down on one knee at the end of this journey, having just slept with someone else six days before. 

Peter flat out asks if she sees herself walking away. She claims she can’t “wrap her mind around it” since she’s sacrificed and compromised a lot already. This is her line and she needs to know if he crossed it.

Peter does not want to fess up. He definitely doesn’t want to give details. He finally admits that he did cross that line.

But he also sees them together at the end of this gig. Doesn’t that count for something? Of course, he can see it with other people, too. Ouch.

This is what we call a nail in the coffin, people. So long, farewell Auburn. 

Madison excuses herself so she can cry in private. Peter cries right there at the table, composes himself, and then goes to get his woman. He apologizes and proclaims that he can NOT lose her. They sit forehead to forehead and I think Madison is about to crack when one hand comes up to Peter’s cheek. But she quickly puts it back down. 

Are they going to kiss? Is Peter going to break her? They are THIS CLOSE…

Madison: “I can’t change who I am.”
Peter: “Do you not think we can get past this? Don’t walk away.”

Spoiler: Madison walks away.

Here’s the ultimate question: Where does she go? In my opinion, Peter didn’t break down enough for this to be OVER over. I think she’s simply going back to her awkward Airbnb. I think she doesn’t know at this point what she’s going to do. 

I can report that there were two roses on the Home Depot pedestal. Victoria and Hannah Ann are on the rose ceremony rug, yet someone asks, “Where’s Madison?” We see Peter standing as someone leaves in a limo. Could it be that Madison came to the ceremony only to tell him good-bye? And that’s why Hannah Ann is saying she wants to be chosen? Not a default rose?

Then there’s the scene with Peter apologizing profusely to someone in the hallway. He’s in normal clothes. These clothes are different from the clothes he’s wearing when his mom begs him not to let “her” go. Is that “her” Madison since she’s the only one Barb has met?

Let’s not forget that Our Host Chris Harrison drops a big bomb before the proposal which makes Peter have to go to the bed and lay down due to hyperventilation. Is that Maddie coming back to say she’s in this again?

WHAT SAY YOU! Sound off in the comments section!

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LaurenD
LaurenD
February 25, 2020 12:06 pm

I’m so glad there’s at least one other person who still says, “Oy, with the poodles already.” ❤️
And I think this is the most boring season I have ever watched. Most of these women have sounded like they are on job interviews instead of dates, including Hannah Ann. And Peter is obviously a nice guy, but he’s also obviously terribly unsuited to being the Bachelor.

RachelY
RachelY
February 25, 2020 9:49 pm
Reply to  LaurenD

Yes yes and yes!!!! So boring. And such an unexciting bachelor. His response to Madison makes it seem like he was expecting that she really would be ok with him sleeping with the other women. Or that she’d get over it. But probably he didn’t actually grasp the gravity of her feelings toward him being with other women.

GammaGirl1111
GammaGirl1111
February 26, 2020 1:29 pm
Reply to  RachelY

Not only did he not grasp how much of a dealbreaker it was for her, it likely never crossed his mind that it was that huge a thing for her. Peter’s probably been banging since high school, he’s hardly been sleeping alone for the past 10 years or so, and, well, he’s Windmill Guy. Of course he has sex. He’s at the point where choosing to have sex is just not a hand-wringing capital-D Decision. Because he didn’t have much context around Madison’s choices, and because he is frankly, not much of a leap-maker, her saying that it would be… Read more »

Erinn
Erinn
February 25, 2020 12:12 pm

Kind of annoyed at Madison. She knew what she was signing up for (as Hannah Ann pointed out). And no, she wasn’t 100% clear with Peter, who is totally unable to read between the lines, ever. She didn’t straight out say, “Don’t sleep with other people or this is over.” Maybe he would have gone with that, probably not, but it’s annoying for her to later say that she was clear about it. No you weren’t!

Grace
Grace
February 25, 2020 1:08 pm
Reply to  Erinn

Not necessarily….we only see a heavily edited and shortened version of the conversation. By no means does ABC let us know what is actually being discussed. Maybe she wasn’t clear but everyone needs to have more kindness in their hearts.

Ross
Ross
February 25, 2020 1:11 pm
Reply to  Grace

Rright, there had to be something like 10-11 hours from supper to when Maddie walked away in daylight!

corrinesnanny
corrinesnanny
February 25, 2020 9:05 pm
Reply to  Ross

Good catch on the fact that Madi walked away during daylight. I missed that. That is a long time to be edited out.

Jan
Jan
February 26, 2020 2:23 pm
Reply to  corrinesnanny

Depends how they edited it. So much of this is staged. They could have filmed Madi walking away earlier and edited it to make it look later.

Erinn
Erinn
February 25, 2020 2:35 pm
Reply to  Grace

Is the “more kindness in their hearts” directed at me? I’m not clear on what you meant by that. I feel like my comment was fair, and was meant to be lighthearted and in the context of this blog, which is about a TV show. I’m sorry if it didn’t come across that way. Madison seems like a lovely person.

Libby
Libby
February 25, 2020 1:33 pm
Reply to  Erinn

She also did not tell him that she was saving herself for marriage until they were at dinner. She literally told him that she would leave if he slept with other people after he’d slept with other people. Prior to that she’d only told him she would be upset, but not that she would leave. She definitely told the cameras that though.

Respect to Madi and her desire to wait, but she should have clued him into this part of her a long time ago.

Paul
Paul
February 25, 2020 3:38 pm
Reply to  Erinn

I agree Erinn. Madison was painfully inarticulate/vague about her feelings and viewpoint at the airport hanger, almost childlike. I wanted her to spell it out a bit more. But I think she was embarrassed to be giving an “ultimatum.”

Sara
Sara
February 25, 2020 4:29 pm
Reply to  Erinn

I agree, Erinn. She was unclear and vague, and besides I really think she should have told him all of this long before the actual week of fantasy suites. And she didn’t tell him that she herself was a virgin until her actual date.

Asdf
Asdf
February 25, 2020 7:18 pm
Reply to  Sara

I thought she was perfectly clear – she said that she wouldn’t be able to move forward if he spent the night with someone else. Period. And then he did.

tracee
tracee
February 25, 2020 7:57 pm
Reply to  Erinn

It’s about time ….Madison said what we’ve ALL been thinking for seasons and seasons. In what world if you really love somebody enough to be married are you OK with them having sex with somebody else…..Show or not….we want it to be real ….in REAL life ….the finance is NOT ok with her betrothed having sex with 2 other girls

Maribeth McFaul
Maribeth McFaul
February 25, 2020 9:45 pm
Reply to  tracee

Well then don’t participate in THIS charade of a show to “find love”

Robin Mccullough
Robin Mccullough
February 26, 2020 8:06 am

@maribeth, there have been several bachelors/bachelorettes that were able to find love on this show without sleeping with people (ie: Shaun Lowe). The show works even with factoring in people with higher standards.

Crystal
Crystal
March 1, 2020 12:29 pm

I listen to Nick Viall’s podcast. He said he knew it was Vanessa from early on, so he didn’t sleep with the other 2 women in the fantasy suite because he wanted it to work with Vanessa.

Robin Mccullough
Robin Mccullough
February 26, 2020 8:04 am
Reply to  tracee

@tracee BINGO!!!

Yesi
Yesi
February 26, 2020 8:18 pm
Reply to  tracee

It IS about time!

Maribeth mcFaul
Maribeth mcFaul
February 25, 2020 9:41 pm
Reply to  Erinn

She was “testing” him and judged him as well. It’s ok for her to have “saved herself” but she knew that is not who Peter is. Windmill???

I think a lot of this was a producers set up. As well as Madison pretending for her family. Those are her parents values. She would t have gone on the show if they were truly hers.

All the kissing scenes felt so staged. The glass door, sunset glistening kisses, mile high kisses. And the shared room was beyond awkward and ridiculous!

Rachel Y
Rachel Y
February 25, 2020 9:55 pm
Reply to  Erinn

I think she was clear because he does say that he messed up, etc… in the clip where he’s apologizing. He knows what she meant and he decided to do what he wanted to do. The lack of clarity in what she was saying is most likely the production angle that was chosen. And also to his credit, he had always thought he would do what he did at this moment in the journey. I think he was also clear with her about that when they spoke before going to AUS. I think for both of them— they really didn’t… Read more »

Libby
Libby
February 26, 2020 7:24 am
Reply to  Rachel Y

I disagree that Madison was clear. There’s a difference between “I would be upset if you slept with the other girls” (something anyone in her position would feel) and “waiting until marriage is an important personal choice that I’ve made.” Peter didn’t know the second part until after he’d slept with the other girls. She also didn’t say that she would leave to Peter if he did, just that she’d be upset. Her saying that she would leave was a voice over and to the camera in a separate interview. Not to Peter.

GammaGirl1111
GammaGirl1111
February 26, 2020 3:01 pm
Reply to  Erinn

There is a lot of confusion partly because Madison said things in voiceover that she did not say to Peter. The audience had specific information that Peter did not; she was much vaguer in her conversation with him. In addition, she said to him that she would be upset, but then she backed off, saying that there wasn’t an ultimatum.

Add in that Peter is not exactly the brightest bulb, and I can see how he was like, “welp, she knows what can happen in fantasy suites,” and went on his way.

Kelli
Kelli
February 25, 2020 12:13 pm

I thought Peter’s family met Hannah Ann (at their vow renewal ceremony?) I agree this is the most boring season ever. Even Kevin went to bed early. Madison wasn’t being manipulative when she issued her basic ultimatum (call it what you will, but she said IF he was intimate, then SHE was out)–Luke P was just being a chach when he said it. That’s how she feels and she gets to have those feelings. I’m still trying to figure out how Harry Peter is in love with all those women. Especially Victoria.

Erinn
Erinn
February 25, 2020 12:24 pm
Reply to  Kelli

Wasn’t Madison the one on the vow renewal date?

Jaime
Jaime
February 25, 2020 12:28 pm
Reply to  Erinn

Yes, it was Madison.

Kelli
Kelli
February 25, 2020 12:58 pm
Reply to  Jaime

Okay–thanks–I honestly couldn’t remember. These girls all look the same to me.

tracee
tracee
February 25, 2020 7:58 pm
Reply to  Kelli

someone said it a couple of weeks ago….he wanted to spend the night with Victoria and then he’ll choose a nice girl

Jaime
Jaime
February 25, 2020 12:21 pm

I agree with Madison’s standards. BUT having said that, she knows what this show is about. She’s heard of the windmill escapades. She HAS to know how Peter feels about sex. I think it’s unfair of her to keep this information to herself so far into the process. She didn’t even say “I’m saving myself for marriage” until she was on the fantasy suite date at dinner. She only made it clear that she’d have a problem with him testing the other waters. She didn’t make it clear that he wouldn’t be “having” her either. It’s clear, he’s the most… Read more »

Jaime
Jaime
February 25, 2020 12:22 pm
Reply to  Jaime

And say what you will, it’s not NORMAL to get engaged to someone less than a week after they’ve been with someone else. She’s not wrong there.

SKaty
SKaty
February 25, 2020 1:05 pm
Reply to  Jaime

I agree. If he really loved Madi he would have just stayed up all night talking. Since when do you have to have sex with someone to get to know them. Sean Lowe didn’t.

Old Christine
Old Christine
February 25, 2020 2:28 pm
Reply to  SKaty

Sean Lowe, The Bachelor Gold Standard.

Ann
Ann
February 25, 2020 4:44 pm
Reply to  SKaty

And, as much as people ragged on what’s-his-name Brad (from Austin, the one who was on twice), he honored Emily Maynard’s wishes to set a good example for her daughter and not have sex, and then ended up choosing her. I think the whole thing with Madison is indicative of just how badly people long for their 15 minutes of fame these days. Of course, she’s watched this show before. Of course, she saw what happens on most fantasy suite dates. She had to have known what she was getting into; however, she’s young and idealistic enough to have thought… Read more »

Libby
Libby
February 25, 2020 1:38 pm
Reply to  Jaime

Everyone comes from different background and has different beliefs, especially when it comes to sex. Sexual connection is really important for some people, both male and female, and it doesn’t lower their quality of human. I personally could never marry someone without knowing we were compatible in that realm of our relationship also, but I would never judge anyone else for choosing to wait.

tracee
tracee
February 25, 2020 8:00 pm
Reply to  Libby

agreed but it shouldn’t be an AUDITION…..that’s setting us all WAAAAY back

Carrie
Carrie
February 26, 2020 9:27 am
Reply to  Libby

True but you are talking about normal dating circumstances when hopefully you are exclusive with someone you intend to marry. Most women would not choose to marry someone who just had sex with 2 others, lol

Jaime
Jaime
February 25, 2020 1:41 pm
Reply to  Jaime

Nick said that he only had sex with the girl he chose (Vanessa). He said he knew he wanted to choose her for quite awhile. I like that idea. He said he didn’t want to complicate things anymore than he had to with the others. There’s no reason you can’t just use the time to get to know each other in other ways.

Libby
Libby
February 25, 2020 2:01 pm
Reply to  Jaime

Right, I agree. I think that how to use the time is their own prerogative. If they want to use it to talk, bone, or do a bit of both that’s up to them and none of those options is an inherently wrong option.

Stephanie
Stephanie
February 25, 2020 12:24 pm

I had to go back and watch it to confirm, but Madison revealing her decision to wait until marriage was just a voiceover at the roaming bench (not actually said to PP there). It doesn’t look like she told him that until their date (something OHCH mentioned on a podcast interview). I was so thrown by that!

Love the roaming bench, btw. And I will have Natalie Imbruglia *and* Ace of Base (IG story) stuck in my head for the rest of today !

jodie
February 25, 2020 1:08 pm

I LOVED that Victoria used her dress as a kleenex. That made me actually “LOL.” I am very frustrated with Madison. Why did she wait to have that conversation with him in a rushed, last-minute way? I watched it back and she did not tell him she’s saving herself for marriage or that this is based on her religious beliefs. I feel like he didn’t understand her expectations or her reasons, other than her saying “I don’t want you to be with anyone else,” which is not the same as saying “I feel this way and have made these specific… Read more »

Cindy S.
Cindy S.
February 25, 2020 1:23 pm

I agree that Madison had to have known what she was getting into. BUT I’m so glad that someone finally called out the Fantasy Suite grossness of this show. Every season they act like they love multiple people equally and are SO torn they can’t make up their mind. And then overnight they suddenly have clarity and pick one and pronounce they knew ALL along he/she was THE ONE. Come on. If you are a few days from proposing you HAVE to have some inkling of which one you are going to pick. And whoever it is, if you really… Read more »

Libby
Libby
February 25, 2020 2:05 pm
Reply to  Cindy S.

Not everyone has the same attitudes about sex and sees it as a big deal. Everything else on this show is so polyamorous then why not that too I guess. We also don’t actually know if the leads have sex with all of them. We don’t even know for sure that he went all the way with both Hannah Ann and Victoria, could have just messed around in an “intimate” manner.

Scooby Snaxx
Scooby Snaxx
February 25, 2020 6:32 pm
Reply to  Cindy S.

I agree with every single thing you said, Cindy. I really want to know: Who here would be cool with their fiance having slept with someone else shortly before proposing to them? Go ahead, tell me. And tell me why you’d be cool with it. I don’t care about “she knew what show she was going on.” Everyone in Hollywood also knew what Harvey Weinstein was doing. Does that mean they should have kept on accepting the status quo? Nope. Someone was brave enough to call out the disgustingness and changed the system. Maybe that’s what Madison has started on… Read more »

Shannon
Shannon
February 25, 2020 6:42 pm
Reply to  Cindy S.

Very true, once you are serious with someone, you really don’t want them being intimate with someone else, I don’t care if it is for a tv show. I remember watching several years back when my daughter was young (she’s a married woman now) and they were more vague about what really went on in the fantasy suite. It wasn’t always a definite yes that they had sex, so it really shouldn’t be expected “just. because she’s seen the show.”

Libby
Libby
February 26, 2020 7:31 am
Reply to  Shannon

I don’t disagree with you, Shannon. I feel like maybe they should rename this week to something besides “Fantasy Suites” because I think it’s important for each final couple to have some time away from the cameras to spend time together and talk about their feelings and values privately if they’re looking to get engaged to one another at the end. That’s what a lot of bachelor/ettes have said they use that time for anyway, not so much for doing the deed. I think it just comes back to the fact that they have a right to have alone time,… Read more »

Yesi
Yesi
February 26, 2020 8:31 pm
Reply to  Cindy S.

Thank you for your points! I completely agree.

It’s worth mentioning that Hannah Ann also had an issue with the overnight dates, she was in tears telling him she would make that sacrifice out of love for him! And he looked her in the face and said, “Thank you for that”! So dense on his part- no introspection or reflection on what he can do (or not do) in order to provide the emotional safety necessary for sex and an approaching engagement with whoever his frontrunner is.

Lisa
Lisa
February 25, 2020 2:27 pm

I agree with Lauren D that this has really been a boring season. Peter is here for the benefits only, not an engagement.
Peter keeps repeating that he’s “in love” with all 3 girls and that’s it going to be hard to choose between them. What he’s thinking is that he’ is “in heat” with all 3, and he can keep it hard.
If it is Madison who walks away, of course, the horn dog Peter chases her; guys like the challenge of being the “first.”

contrarian
contrarian
February 25, 2020 3:15 pm

I concur with many of the comments here and will add only two things that stuck with me from last night: 1. The fleeting-but-oh-so-evil smiles on Cruella de V’s face during the convo about what did or didn’t happen (or would or wouldn’t happen) in the Snogging Suite. She never seems happier than when someone is suffering at her initiative — even Peter. “I can’t believe how much I’ve put him through.” So proud of herself. 2. The molasses-pacing of Madison’s decision-making after dinner. She had already stated her predicate, so when he ‘fessed up, why did she agonize for… Read more »

Libby
Libby
February 26, 2020 7:34 am
Reply to  contrarian

I don’t think anyone should be expected to abandon their own beliefs and values for another person, especially one they’ve spent like a collective 3 hours with. And I say that in defense of both Madison AND Peter. And the price is only high if you assign a price to sex.

Paul
Paul
February 25, 2020 3:49 pm

With so much talk about Madison’s stance on sex before marriage, I think a bigger issue is being overlooked. Peter is not nearly religious enough for Madison. He kind of skated past that question, if you’ll recall. Maddie essentially heard what she wanted to hear in his response. In the long run, this could be the real deal-breaker in their relationship. I mean, she and her family are VERY Christian. I get the feeling Peter eis not. That’s a big deal.

Libby
Libby
February 26, 2020 7:35 am
Reply to  Paul

I agree. Even if they figure out how to get past the sex issue, Madi is looking for a man who will “lead their family in faith” and while I do think Peter considers himself Christian, we all know how different that can look from Christian to Christian and I just think Madison would be so much happier with a man who already shares the intensity of her faith.

Carrie
Carrie
February 26, 2020 9:32 am
Reply to  Libby

Yes, and why does the man have to lead the family in faith? Shouldn’t the more religious spouse be given this responsibility? No, because women are subservient in her religion.

Shannon
Shannon
February 26, 2020 10:58 am
Reply to  Paul

Yes 100% the religious differences are a bigger deal for sure, they are not a good match.

Allia
Allia
February 25, 2020 4:10 pm

The only sad part about this season ending is no more Lincee recaps… I’m so over it already. I feel like absolutely nothing has changed with these relationships in the last 2-3 weeks. Honestly, the whole Peter-Madison thing, the problem is that 1) they still barely know each other and 2) neither one is all that interested in the other. If Madison was seriously considering Peter as a possible life partner, she wouldn’t have waited until the 11th hour to tell him about her beliefs and expectations (which, she didn’t even fully explain as of yet). If Peter was in… Read more »

Libby
Libby
February 26, 2020 7:39 am
Reply to  Allia

I don’t love the term “test-driven” here. Women aren’t cars. It’s valid to want to ensure that you have physical compatibility with someone in addition to an emotional connection.

Allia
Allia
February 26, 2020 10:54 pm
Reply to  Libby

I don’t love a guy treating girls like cars. It’s valid, and dare I say important, to ensure physical compatibility with a person you are serious about. But one after the other? Knowing that you will dump at least one in the coming week? Come on… the terminology, unfortunately, fits. But to your point, they deserve far better than that!

Sara
Sara
February 25, 2020 4:25 pm

I want to become one with Madison’s sparkly jumpsuit. I have found my soulmate, and it is that jumpsuit. I am here for the Right Reasons. I think it’s awful they made the women stay together during fantasy suite week. This season has had a little too much obvious meddling by the producers for me. I like Madison. She’s my favorite. And I think it’s great that she’s a virgin and waiting for marriage. Good job, her! And she has every right not to want her fiance to have sex with someone else a week before his proposal. BUT. Why… Read more »

Allia
Allia
February 25, 2020 8:52 pm
Reply to  Sara

Yes to all of the above! Also, I hope nobody kills me for saying this, but I often found myself wondering if Madison is there for the “right reasons”. She said that she’s looking for a spiritual leader for her family, someone who shares the same values, etc… and yet she sticks around for Windmill Pete? Plus, if her perspective on sex and marriage is that pivotal to her, how did she not bring it up to him until now? Then there is the basic fact that she came on the Bach, of all places, to meet a guy? It… Read more »

Libby
Libby
February 26, 2020 7:41 am
Reply to  Allia

Totally agree, Allia. Something’s not adding up here. The only thing I can think of is she auditioned when she thought Colton would be the bachelor, but even then he made it clear he wasn’t a virgin for religious reasons, just that he wanted to save it for someone special.

Sara
Sara
February 26, 2020 8:20 am
Reply to  Allia

I agree Allia. I’m giving her the benefit of the doubt, but it just doesn’t make sense to 1. come on the show in the first place, and 2. wait this long to discuss it with him. I get that she wouldn’t want the show to exploit her virginity, but waiting until actual fantasy suites was wrong.

GammaGirl1111
GammaGirl1111
February 26, 2020 10:47 pm
Reply to  Allia

Agree with Allia. That all goes double because, frankly, Madison is beautiful and nice and smart and whatever enough to find a husband without resorting to being one of 25 chasing the Bachelor. I mean, totally unfacetiously, she should have had her pick of guys at church. Her father is a basketball coach; it’s not like there aren’t any young men in her orbit. I often note that everyone on any of these shows is hot enough that they were likely not sleeping alone before the show. She was, but clearly by choice. Obviously she has every right to try… Read more »

another ann
another ann
February 26, 2020 3:17 pm
Reply to  Sara

Really not on board with the ‘why did she come on the show argument’ I keep seeing. The show seems to offer so much in both experiences and friendship that the chance at love is not much more than an unlikely bonus. I don’t think waiting to tell him until Fantasy Suites is a big deal, didn’t Becca Tilley do that with Chris Soules? Knowing how it would be exploited, I think any participant would be smart to show that level of discretion. As I watched, I thought she was quite clear that he was free to do what he… Read more »

Allia
Allia
February 26, 2020 10:44 pm
Reply to  another ann

That’s exactly the point I was making, another Ann, that Madison ( like most others, I’m sure) probably went on the show for the experience of it. Nothing wrong with that! I also totally get how one might not want to be labeled as the resident virgin for the whole season. But all that said, it’s nearing proposal hour… not the time to hold back on what’s important to you. It did seem a bit like Peter was trying to talk her out of her convictions, but I feel like part of it was him being caught off guard and… Read more »

Stephanie
Stephanie
February 25, 2020 4:38 pm

It’s great that Madison has decided to “save herself” for marriage, however, don’t come on a reality tv show to find your perfect mate, lol! And if ya do, put that on a t-shirt in bold print & wear it proudly! I think it’s a bit dense to think it a was a wise decision for someone so “pure” to join The Bachelor Cast. Might I suggest a more natural, old – fashioned form of courtship instead, say a church group or meeting through friends or the like.

Dana P
Dana P
February 25, 2020 4:52 pm

I’ve hardly watched this season but tuned in for hometowns and fantasy suite week. Madison and Peter are obviously entitled to their perspectives, but their values differ so widely that I have a tough time seeing them as a good match. And imho, telling Madison he can see himself at the end with any of the three “finalists” was when Peter really blew it (not a euphemism). I applaud Madi for saying what I’ve always thought about this show: how can someone accept a marriage proposal within a week of the lead having slept with one or two other “contestants?”… Read more »

Ann
Ann
February 25, 2020 5:20 pm
Reply to  Dana P

Pretty sure Chris Harrison said 65 or older, whereupon I promptly threw up. (I’m 65 or older, so I can say that.) I would die a thousand deaths before going on that. Just told one of my (much-younger) fellow Bachelor watchers that there isn’t a dollar figure high enough to persuade me to do it. (Also, I’m happily married, but still . . .)

Grace
Grace
February 25, 2020 7:38 pm
Reply to  Ann

Amen to that!i am also an over, but who in the world would watch it

corrinesnanny
corrinesnanny
February 25, 2020 9:04 pm
Reply to  Grace

Same ladies, same. And I would hope older folks have gained enough wisdom to just say no to this opportunity. On the other hand, we would know that they aren’t doing it for more Instagram followers ! #rightreasons

Kathleen
Kathleen
February 25, 2020 10:41 pm
Reply to  Dana P

I looked at it. It’s 65 and older. But you know what they say….65 is the new 64!

Kelli
Kelli
February 26, 2020 3:41 pm
Reply to  Kathleen

Dang. I’m 5 years too young. And I was going to volunteer to be a tribute.

Allia
Allia
February 25, 2020 11:11 pm
Reply to  Dana P

I may be in the minority here but I would be curious to check it out. We might actually witness some interesting conversations. I’m not sure that there would be lineups for auditions though…

Libby
Libby
February 26, 2020 7:45 am
Reply to  Allia

I’m actually really excited about it? Imagine this show with people who have lived a good chunk of their lives and actually know what they want! Older people deserve love too! Has anyone watched Dating Around on Netflix? Each episode is a different “lead” and they go on dates with 5 people and then choose one to move forward with. It’s really beautifully done for a reality dating show, no petty drama, no side interviews. You just watch them on their dates and then see who they choose. Anyway there is an episode or two with an older lead/widower and… Read more »

Elena
Elena
February 26, 2020 9:30 pm
Reply to  Libby

I agree. I would love to watch intelligent adults getting to know each other. I think it would be much more witty and realistic than these narcissistic nitwits that can hardly speak and just twirl their hair and try to keep their eye makeup intact.

Shannon
Shannon
February 25, 2020 6:50 pm

I honestly can’t stand Peter or Victoria at this point so I hope they end up together! This season has been the most annoying ever, oy with the poodles already for sure 😉

contrarian
contrarian
February 26, 2020 12:23 am
Reply to  Shannon

I was a little surprised to find myself thinking the exact same thing. They kinda deserve each other.

Okay, I need to walk that back. Nobody deserves Victoria.

FaninAZ
FaninAZ
February 26, 2020 10:39 am
Reply to  Shannon

Agree – he has said how much he doesn’t like an easy relationship, and embraces the drama. At least he is honest! Good luck dodging flying plates in the kitchen, Pete.

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