Bachelorette Hannah Recap: Luke Tells All-Ish

I’ve been watching this show long enough, and hopefully you’ve been reading this recap long enough, to know that the men and women telling all is my least favorite episode of the season. It’s always a let down, except for that one time when Jason pulled a Mesnick and said “just kidding” by switching from his final pick Melissa Rycroft to the runner-up Molly What’sHerName on national television.

Now that’s good TV.

This season’s Men Tell All fell on the boring side of the fence. First of all, I am slightly irritated that we were given the impression that a rose ceremony would be waiting for us at the top of the hour. Our Host Chris Harrison teases us with a promise that Luke might get punched in the face. That didn’t happen. Neither did the rose ceremony. 

You’ll be happy to know that I’ve processed through my feelings by creating a mix tape. 

“I’ll Be Loving You Forever” by New Kids on the  Block
Harrison is a smoke show. He knows it, I know it, and we should all deal with it. 

“What’s Up” by 4 Non Blondes
And I say
HEY YEAH YEAH YEAH
HEY YEAH YEAH
I SAID HEY
WHAT’S GOING ON?

These lyrics, obviously, allude to Hannah’s ever-so-strange wardrobe choice. Her rose ceremony garment wants to be a less hookery, more sophisticated version of Vivian’s outfit in Pretty Woman

I can use the word “hookery” since my mother used it in this podcast. You’re welcome, Internet.

Picture a splatter-painted crop-top/tank top attached at the abdomen to a long, slinky skirt. Can Hannah pull this off? Perhaps. She’s worn crazier patterns and wider shoulder pads this season, for sure. The icing on this 90s-inspired cake was the decision to put her hair in a bun on top of her head. 

You’re thinking a messy top knot, right? Yeah, think again. It was more of a bun that Laura Ingalls Wilder’s schoolmarm would have worn on an average Tuesday. In order to fancy things up a bit, Hannah allowed two distinct tendrils to fall around her face. This was also a mistake. 

“Don’t Stop Believing” by Journey
During his White Van Confessionals, Luke holds his phone in front of his face, confident that the plan unfolding before us is a good one. He is headed back to Hannah because he knows without a shadow of doubt that homegirl still loves him even though she’s never used those exact words. Details. 

He walks into the rose ceremony courtyard area and takes a spot beside Jed as if he was invited. Why didn’t security stop him?

Dear reader, you’re cute. Security gave him the idea, fitted him for a suit, picked him up in the van at the appointed time, and gestured to the correct archway he should walk through.

The best part about this particular moment is that the other three guys have no idea that Hannah already kicked this chach off the show!

“Mr. Misunderstood” by Eric Church
When Hannah walks into the rose ceremony courtyard, we witness a range of emotions displayed on her face. There’s confusion that Luke is present. A little bit of shock bubbles up when it occurs to her that homeboy did not go back home. That dissolves into anger when she realizes he had the audacity to include himself in her current journey roster. Rage crackles in her eyes when he approaches the rose ceremony throne and asks for a private audience with her. 

The back-and-forth dialog Hannah and Luke shared for ten minutes can be summed up in two phrases: “Go home,” and “I will not go until I have clarity.” 

“My Lovin’ (No You’re Never Gonna Get It)” by En Vogue
I should point out that Peter and Tyler are cool as cucumbers, even though they don’t fully comprehend the train wreck crashing before their eyes. Jed mutters “thank you God” under his breath and gives up hope trying to control any sort of “WOO HOO” facial expression as Hannah repeatedly tells Luke to leave. 

When Hannah reminds Luke that he shouldn’t need closure because she already sent him home, Tyler speaks up and questions his Boo: “Hannah? Did you send this brah home?”

Luke walks a tight line of “my heart deserves to be heard” and “this isn’t over for me.” I wait for the calvary to come in, yet no men step up to form a bulky human barrier between the psycho and 90s Hannah. I make a claim that the first man to approach Luke will be the winner. 

Hannah takes matters into her own hands and physically picks up the Home Depot proposal pedestal holding two roses and walks it around Luke to prove that he is out of the picture when it comes to her future. The boys want to clap, but they can’t. This is serious stuff and Hannah is on the brink of a major meltdown. 

“With a Little Help From My Friends” by The Beatles 
I believe it’s Tyler who takes the initial first step toward Luke. Peter and Jed are not far behind. While Tyler and Jed get all up in Luke’s grill, insisting he “get the BLEEP out” and “BLEEP BLEEPING BLEEP” with some more BLEEPING, Peter carefully comforts Hannah who is freaking out. 

Why did it take the boys so long to come to Hannah’s aid? Because they were afraid. Not until Our Host Chris Harrison made an appearance, raising a mindful eyebrow to one Mr. Luke did the other three know it was safe to approach the threat. 

The part that made me roll my eyes was the fact that Luke asked to talk to her no less than a dozen times. She refused to go, so they sat there and sort of talked in front of everyone. It may not have been private, but Luke was still heard. Ugh. 

“So Long, Farewell” from The Sound of Music
After announcing to the entire courtyard that Luke asked her with which contestants she had sexual relations, Hannah reaches her last nerve when Luke claims he has been misunderstood. He’s never judged nor condemned. 

Harrison finally speaks and asks one simple question: “Hannah, what do you want?”

Uh, she wants the rejection SUV to actually take the chach to the airport and make sure he gets on the plane this time. 

Luke throws one last Hail Mary and asks Hannah to look him in the eyes and tell him that she doesn’t have feelings for him. She does just that and Luke decides to “excuse himself.” Read: He was kicked out. 

“Wishin’ And Hopin’” from My Best Friend’s Wedding
Our Host Chris Harrison takes great pleasure in pulling Hannah aside to make sure she’s okay, while simultaneously sharing that Luke had a ring in his pocket. He was ready to propose. He’s not saying Luke is a stalker, but if it looks like a beefcake and sounds like a moron, it probably is a stalker. 

Meanwhile, the guys celebrate in a way that doesn’t translate that one of them is about to be cut. Absolutely no one cares. They are so happy that Luke is gone, they don’t even make time to rag on Jed for wearing a suit the color of maneaur. 

“Bad Blood” by Taylor Swift
The next HOUR of the show is dedicated to Luke sitting in the hot seat with Our Host. Harrison tries to give him every chance to redeem himself. This would be helpful if Luke didn’t have a habit of saying the absolute wrong thing at the absolute wrong time. His constant back pedaling is a problem, too. 

He tries to defend himself by telling Chris that he never got a chance to speak his heart. He claims he was blindsided by her reaction. He didn’t love that she straddled and mounted everyone. But he respects that she made that choice. 

Finally Our Host asks the question we’ve all wondered, “Why didn’t you walk away after declaring that you didn’t want someone who would sleep with other people?”

“The Sound of Silence” by Simon and Garfunkel 
There was so much dead air. I myself find it hilarious that ABC didn’t allow it to land on the cutting room floor. I should confess that I stood up and sat down during the silence because I was so uncomfortable. My friend Amy, who was sitting next to me, was no longer sitting next to me by the thirty second mark. She had to pace.

“If I Could Turn Back Time” by Cher
Luke speaks and I calm down a bit. He sort of admits that he struggled with pride and arrogance while on the show. He thinks the label “narcissist” is taking it a bit too far. PS: His feelings haven’t changed for Hannah. He still loves her. 

Our Host asks another great question, “Do you feel like you’ve made any mistakes?”

“The Sound of Silence” ON REPEAT by Simon and Garfunkel 
Again with the dead air. Again, I’m practically chair exercising like an old person with all the up and down business. My friend Blake went and made a sandwich. When he came back, we were still sitting in silence. 

“Just Breathe” by Faith Hill
THERE IS SO MUCH DEAD AIR. I CAN’T HANDLE THE AWKWARD. 

“Time To Change” by The Brady Bunch
After I experience multiple heart palpitations, Luke finally announces that there is nothing he would do differently on his journey to find love with Hannah. NOTHING. 

Harrison calls him out for being a complete jack wagon. Luke back pedals, insisting that what he meant by that is he is thankful how everything played out. Because he doesn’t want Hannah as a wife. Yet he still loves her. 

WE GET IT. LET’S MOVE ON. 

Nope. Harrison must poke the bear. And so must Devin/Dustin/Dylan for some reason. He comes traipsing out from backstage so he can tell Luke that he’s no man. He shouldn’t get extra passes because he’s young and stupid. 

“Nasty Boys” by Janet Jackson
Harrison realizes that we are spending way too much time with Luke. He keeps him in the hot seat so the four men we know from this season can tell all and dog him on national television. 

Mike is up first. Even though he needs to put up an “everyman” front so he can secure the position of our next bachelor, he takes a shot below the belt when he tells Luke that his future wife is “going to be a prisoner.” 

I had high hopes for Connor, because I think he’s darling. He starts off good, admitting that he respects Luke for boldly standing in the line of fire. But then he criticizes that he was a problem every week and his actions never changed. He ends the sililoquy with an aggressive F*$& YOU! That’s his immaturity coming out. Remember, Connor is twelve. 

Cam thanks Luke for making him look less like a chach. 

Jonathan (who?) wishes Luke would have walked more in his faith instead of wavering and judging. 

“This Is Amazing Grace” by Phil Wickham
Actual Mateo SPEAKS! He reminds everyone that Luke messed up and that being socially isolated is miserable. He feels Luke has been punished enough and the dogging his character should cease and desist. 

Our Host agrees and invites someone else to the hot seat. 

“Hair Up” from Trolls
Interestingly enough, that person is John Paul Jones. Harrison deems him a “fan favorite.” JPJ is wacky, you see, and everyone loves him. He is super pumped and slightly weirded out by his instant celebrity status.

But he is grateful. So much so that he allows a random stranger wearing a homemade WWJPJD t-shirt cut a lock of his hair. I’m sure she will put it in a Zip-loc baggie and use it for some sort of voodoo doll ritual, but that’s neither here nor there. John Paul Jones is going to Paradise and he celebrates by tossing chicken nuggets, that the ABC Intern painstakingly procured from three different LA-based McDonalds, into the air for other stalkers to enjoy.  

Shaka brah, people. (Read: That’s the John Paul Jones version of roll tide. 

“A Wink and a Smile” by Harry Connick, Jr.
Mike is a delight. Even though we had to suffer through a replay of Hannah’s snotty good-bye in the museum, Mike has proven to the world that he is strong and still looking for love. In fact, he’s ready to share all the things he learned about himself from Hannah with the woman of his dreams.

I’m sure that will happen in the fall when he’s faced with twenty-five potential love interests. 

“Miss Independent” by Kelly Clarkson
Hannah enters the studio. Remember, Luke landed an hour of air time (mostly dead). John Paul Jones of all people, Mike, and Hannah shared the remaining time. Interesting don’t you think?

I should let you know that Hannah talked about Luke half of her time, so we can officially title this episode: Luke Tells Nothing.

She makes sure she explains why she fell so hard for Luke. She blames this on being insecure about being the bachelorette in the first place. He was the only one who let her know time and time again that he was there for her. She was distracted by the safety he provided.

Does she say this to make us all feel better about that fact that she kept him around for so long even though we yelled at our TVs for her to get rid of him? Or is she saying this to make her current beau not feel bad about technically being her JV choice? 

Luke apologizes to her. It was short and to the point. I was proud of him for not making us sit in dead air or rambling on about clarity. Then Hannah rambles on about clarity. She is disappointed in Luke for weaponizing their shared faith. That’s when she launches into fantasy suite talk and boldly proclaims that forgo cards are NOT a free pass for sex. It a place to grow closer to the men.

However that may look…

“Bye Bye Bye” by NSYNC
Luke gets up from his chair located in the stands beside fifteen guys none of us know and leaves the studio. We never see him again. 

“Hero” by Enrique Iglesias 
The hero hair is as high as my blood pressure. Garrett wants Hannah to know he was upset with her because she chose Luke over him that one time. He refrains from pointing and shouting, “TOLD YOU SO.” 

Newsflash, Garrett. You’re a chach, too. 

“Hard To Say I’m Sorry” by Chicago
Hannah looks straight down the barrel of the camera and apologizes to everyone watching that she made us all suffer through Luke for so long. She takes full responsibility and promises that the Luke P Show has been cancelled.

Please tell me he’s going to Paradise!!!

“Make ‘Em Laugh” from Singing in the Rain
Hooray for bloopers!

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Rosa
Rosa

Oh my gosh the dress – Vivian’s outfit is a perfect description! That and her hair were TERRIBLE!! She looked great at the MTA. Also, Jed’s suit color – so glad you picked up on that! Speaking of picking up on things….. I rewound to make sure, but there is a 2 second clip of MIKE walking down the stairs in PARADISE (with Caelynne I think). Does that mean he is NOT our next Bachelor? Or could he be like Colton and go on Paradise and THEN become the bachelor?? Did anyone else notice that? I was disappointed that Old McDonald got NO airtime on the MTA. I thought he was the next grocery store joe. There were a bunch of dudes on the back row that I had NO idea who they were.

PSM
PSM

Seems like the entire season revolved around just a handful of guys. We had a suspicion that the rose ceremony would be a cliff hanger! I did not see Mike on the Paradise stairs, but I am hoping to see him as the next bachelor; he is SMOOTH! The MTA was painful to watch with all Luke’s lengthy silences. He needs so much time to process, and yet he is always misunderstood! I saw OHCH look at his watch one time.

And, Lincee, I just ordered and read your new book, It’s a Love Story! It was soooo good! I just couldn’t put it down! Your bachelor recap sense of humor was very present, and your faith reflections were lovely!

Katie
Katie

Yes, I saw Mike in that clip and was so disappointed, too! But maybe they are just trying to throw us off the scent? I hope so!

Valerie
Valerie

Agree! Way too much Luke- first time I think I’m a men tell all that we’ve heard from so little people! I’m a big old MacDonald fan can’t believe they didn’t touch on that at all..

Christine
Christine

Yes I too noticed Mike at Paradise.

Jeet
Jeet

Hilarious Lincee! Agree with you the dead air was PAINFUL! While I appreciated Luke trying to choose his words carefully so as to not be misunderstood, he came across as condescending toward OHCH, among other things. Only the most self-involved person would opt to hold the floor in complete silence that long. He seems to have a strong support system back at home, which he really needs at this point, hopefully they can open his eyes to his behavior, if they haven’t already been opened. I think Hannah should’ve focused completely on the other guys, rather than giving Luke more (albeit negative) time. Hannah’s choice of rose ceremony dress was unfortunate. And I have fingers crossed that Mike will be our next bachelor!

AnnieLu
AnnieLu

Those long silences waiting for Luke to speak had the hair on my neck prickling, it seemed to me like he was relishing controlling the ABC airwaves, forcing all of Bachelor Nation to hang on waiting for his next words. Creepy.

Nobody has mentioned Mike Fleiss’s domestic difficulties. He gives me the creeps more than Luke. Ugh.

I loved some of Tyler ‘s comments defending Hannah, and to me he looks like Robert Mitchum. Craggily handsome. Mike has a million watt smile. Jed doesn’t excite me at all. He can’t sing! Peter is cute and fun and sexy. Hannah’s season was a trainwreck with a few bright spots. She’ll make out ok.

Jeet
Jeet

YES! To me Tyler is a combination of Robert Mitchem and James Dean.

Soapstef
Soapstef

I missed THE BOX KING! Lol. We could’ve rewatched his entire run in the time all that silence took up. Ship him to Paradise!

LORRAINE
LORRAINE

Yes! Me too! The BOX King needed a moment in the Hot Seat so that we could appreciate his HOTNESS! I vote for him to be on BIP

Kara
Kara

Great recap. I thought when Hannah walked out at the beginning of the episode she was in workout gear. Then I realized “oh wait, that is her Rose Ceremony dress”

Although I think Luke is a tool, I thought it was class-less the way Hannah apologized to the audience. MOVE ON!! We don’t need an apology. We all know you didn’t know what was going on behind the scenes. While she has had some great moments, in general, I think she is immature.

Kelli
Kelli

I will have to disagree–that was the best MTA episode EVER!!! And the tease of the rose ceremony where she picked up the Pier One rose pedestal sealed her place as my number one Bachelorette for EVAH!! Roll Tide. Which also made me laugh at the end of her apology to Bach Nation “God Bless the United States. Roll Tide”.

Luke proved what a pathological liar he was when he said that he wouldn’t change anything (to OHCH) and after commercial when he was stumbling through his ‘apology’, he said he needed everyone’s support to help him through this process. Yeah, right. I’m surprised his pants weren’t in flames with all the lying he did.

Loved the playlist, will put it together for Kevin tonight.

lindsey
lindsey

Mike was definitely in the preview but that doesn’t mean he won’t be Bachelor. Both Colton and Nick found their way from Paradise to the Bachelor (and Arie would have definitely gone had they ever invited him).

LORRAINE
LORRAINE

Demi Lovato is interested in Big Mike! It’s all over social media!

Cathy Denis
Cathy Denis

Yeah I am wondering about him and Demi Levato. But he’s made it pretty clear he wants a wife and wants someone who is serious about love and Demi is sweet but she has had a rough life so not sure she is in that head space yet. Mike is 31 and I think ready to settle down. But it would be so cute if they at least hung out and see what happened.

LORRAINE
LORRAINE

Demi Lovato is 26..that’s TWO years older than Hannah B

Cathy Denis
Cathy Denis

Yeah but Demi’s been in and out of rehab (no disrespect to Demi at all – she’s in the spotlight and its tough, she’s very talented and hopefully is doing better now) but she may not be ready for marriage and a family yet.

LORRAINE
LORRAINE

LOVE THE LINE—Laura Ingalls bun on an average Tuesday. That faux Rose Ceremony look was Hideous! And your Right! Where Exactly was Security?? Luke was able to hitch a ride, get suited up and have a RING just in Time for the Rose Ceremony. Come on ABC.. We know you got Security on hand, since last season, they had to spring into action when Colton jumped the fence.
Luke P was just BAD TV all around. I don’t want to see him again.
Not too happy to hear that Bachelor in Paradise is on TWO nights each week! That”s a lot of drama

Kelli
Kelli

And a lot of crying evidently. Why is there so much crying?

Libby
Libby

It’s always two nights a week. This isn’t new.

Alexa
Alexa

Luke scored huge points for me last night. I can’t imagine the scrutiny that guy has endured the last several months and I’m impressed that he held it together as well as he did. Hannah on the other hand, has lost it. I expect she’ll look back on her performance last night in regret. She’s been publicly cruel and unfair to Luke when he’s been unbelievably restrained. The moments of silence from him last night were moments of patience. I hope people can choose kindness, control their own comments and leave the guy alone to heal. Shame on ABC for this one.

Cathy Denis
Cathy Denis

Luke couldn’t keep his story straight. He contradicts himself so many times. I almost wondered if he had a hidden speaker in his ear and someone else was feeding him answers because of the many AWKWARD silences. I think its great he has a vision of what he wants in his future wife, and there is nothing wrong with what he wants but its how he said it to her and all the different things he said and then he kept backtracking after he’d say what he wanted and it was just SO uncomfortable. He is naive and shouldn’t have gone on this show. I’m sure he’s a good person and I hope he doesn’t continue to get skewered but this was not the place for him.

Kris
Kris

I’m not at all sure he’s a good person, he’s scary, and Mike is right, if he ever finds a wife she will have to be willing to succumb to his absolute control. I hope there are no children….

Carrie
Carrie

Agreed. Mike nailed it with that comment. I’ve been saying the same thing all season.

Libby
Libby

How do you justify an apology combined with a statement of no regret? You can’t truly apologize for something if you don’t regret doing it. He’s a misogynistic POS who just wants a wife he can control and saw Hannah as a prize to be won. And was a sore loser when he was told to leave. Do you think it’s okay for a man to tell a woman “I know you’re still in love with me” when she is clearly stating she isn’t? Do you think he knows better what she wants than she does? Mike was 100% right when he said any future wife of Luke’s would be his prisoner.

Allia
Allia

Exactly, Libby! There was nothing okay about anything he said. If he had genuine feelings about her sleeping with other guys – fine. But I don’t think he cared about that at all in a religious sense – only in a control sense. It was very evident from all his actions that he wanted the prize. In the end, he didn’t care about the windmill or about Hannah’s feelings. He just wanted what he wanted and that was that. It’s harsh, but Mike was right on the money. I sincerely hope that Luke takes the time to very seriously reflect on all this, because he clearly hasn’t if he doesn’t have any regrets.

LORRAINE
LORRAINE

maybe the show will get him counseling!

Stan the Cat
Stan the Cat

I think Luke got everything he deserved and continued to exhibit the same bs he’s brought the whole season, all the way through MTA. He is a very young soul who doesn’t understand too much about anything. Mike definitely nailed it. He’s exhibited violence and immaturity the whole way through. I kept hoping they would show the footage of what he did actually say and do, versus what he claimed on stage at MTA. They were quite different and he deserved to be called out specifically. I’ve felt this entire season that Hannah has been one of the most honest and put together of any contestant, man or woman. She has consistently stated what she means, which was often the right thing to say, at the absolute correct time. I have gotten tired of hearing(uh) her pronounce her final consonants so often.

Teagan
Teagan

He hasn’t been restrained at all. He actually went to the trouble of creating a twitter account recently ( I believe it was on the night that fantasy suite dates aired) so that he could passive-aggressively spend the whole evening engaging in a twitter war with Hannah . He is a piece of work and if I never see him again it’ll be too soon.

Kristal C
Kristal C

I agree wholeheartedly!!!

I was really disappointed that the show and OHCH allowed the bullying & attacks!

I’ve watched many years and have seen many “villains” in the hot seat, this is the first time I’ve seen the show throw a contestant to the wolves and allow it to go on so long with zero intervention….

I found the attacks on Christianity especially upsetting! What he said was Biblical! A man is to be the head of his household! And sex outside of marriage is a sin! Yes, he committed the same sin, asked for forgiveness and REPENTED! That’s not hypocrisy!

Hypocrisy is a stage full of people attacking someone because they believe differently than them, then crying out for tolerance for their beliefs, from that person two seconds later!

Hannah says her beliefs are about love and not shaming people, as she sits and publicly shames Luke! It’s crazy to me how people don’t see the double standard there!!

Everyone is saying how great Mike is and he is the one that said He feels sorry for whomever Luke P ends up with because she’ll basically be a prisoner!

As a Christian woman married to a Christian man, I’ve never lived in more freedom than that which comes from allowing my husband to be the leader of our home!

Allia
Allia

I’m never a fan of MTA. I don’t know how you manage to make it funny, Lincee!

Am I the only one who was severely disturbed by the Luke showing up at the rose ceremony scene?
Imho, they shouldn’t have let him in (but yes, I know, good TV…). I couldn’t believe what I was seeing… she told him NO at least 15 times in 10 different ways just in that segment alone, and he straight-up ignored her and kept making advances. Absolutely zero regard for what the woman says! It took all the other guys, and then OHCH to step in for him to finally leave. What if they hadn’t been there?? I was physically afraid watching that. This is what rape culture looks like. No exaggeration. This is literally what it looks like.

Allia
Allia

Also, a lot of people are ragging on Hannah for being “unfair” or “not classy enough”, but I for one was very happy to see a woman unapologetically stand up for herself.

Jen
Jen

I agree Allia… I kept thinking, thank goodness Luke did this in front of other people. Hannah said no so many times, I was afraid for her. I thought the men stepping in and Peter going to her side was great.

Erinn
Erinn

Rape culture?? Yes, that IS an exaggeration. I’m not a Luke P apologist but clearly he had a lot of support from the producers to get a ring and be filmed while **being driven to the rose ceremony.** There was no chance he would have ended up there with her alone so the question is moot.

Allia
Allia

I completely agree, Erinn, that the producers shouldn’t have allowed this. That was a big part of the problem. The culture I was referring to was men being socialized to ignore womens opinions and treating them with a “I know better than you” attitude. This came out over and over again. When Luke was heading over to the ceremony he said “hannah thinks … but she’s sadly mistaken”. Then he gets there, and doesn’t take any of her (I don’t even know how many) no’s for an answer. I don’t know how much more clear she could have possibly been, but his position was “no, you’re wrong and I know better”. He did this consistently the whole season.

I can’t say anything Luke in particular. I honestly hope he’s a good guy. But what I can say is that this is how rape cases get justified all the freaken time. A woman says no, but the perp decides “well, she said no, but I know she wants me”, and then it gets into all the bs semantics of “well, how many times did she say no? How did she say no? What was she wearing?”. No means NO. Period. It literally took a man who is an authority figure for Luke to listen and leave. That’s extremely disturbing to me.

Carrie
Carrie

That is 100% rape culture. He refused to hear the word no. It was really scary to watch. But obviously the producers have a lot of blame in allowing him to come back.

MamaBecca
MamaBecca

This culture comes from the abrahamic religious traditions as depicted in the old testament. It straight up says in the bible that it is ok to beat or kill your wife. Women were property, exchanged via “marriage”. Why do we not know where this comes from? My grandma was a Christian fundamentalist. At Easter dinner she says to me: “I’m volunteering at a women’s shelter.” “Oh that’s so great!” I say. “If those women would just obey their husbands like it says in the bible, they wouldn’t get beat up”, she says. For real people! Does anyone even read the bible anymore? It is pretty black and white and that is why Luke feels justified. So do the crazies who become religious terrorists. Anyhow it is shocking to me how few people know where these ideas came from and how embedded they are in our culture and psyches.

Kristal C.
Kristal C.

Could you share the verses or book where the Bible says it’s okay for anyone to beat and/or kill your wife?

Judy
Judy

While I agree that “no” means “no,” Hannah herself said “no” (sent him home) before and then allowed him to stay. She had clearly been saying, “I don’t really mean what I say and if you pressure me enough I’ll change my mind” throughout the season. I have felt that she is narcissistic all season and only wants to have the guys telling her how beautiful and wonderful she is. I find it difficult to believe they don’t see her shallow self-absorption.

AJ
AJ

There was so much dead air that on more than one occasion I practically forgot the question! It was interesting to me that Mateo showed some support for Luke by commenting that he’s gotten his punishment, and I kind of agree. He’s done some pretty terrible things, and we get it-everyone hates him-but at some point, we (the general we) need to say to ourselves, “that guy’s a jerk, but I’m not.” How does it benefit ANYONE for Connor to say what he said? Same with Hannah’s apology. She stood up for herself at the rose ceremony, and I was all for that, but apologizing to America felt a little petty to me.

Claiborne
Claiborne

I agree 100%. Luke is clearly misguided, but at some point you have to move on. Never has one contestant received more air time.! I also agree that the apology was a bit over the top and unnecessary.

Bri
Bri

“Her rose ceremony garment wants to be a less hookery, more sophisticated version of Vivian’s outfit in Pretty Woman.” EXACTLY! (Best line of the recap!!)

This next statement I mean in the kindest way possible – I’m not a mental health professional, but I actually think Luke may have some mental health challenges that have gone undiagnosed up to this point. His reactions don’t seen normal, including the time he takes to process and answer questions, and the way he responds to people in general. He just doesn’t communicate in a way most people would consider “normal.”

I’ve dealt with people like this both in my personal life and over many years of teaching, and it stuck out like a sore thumb to me. He clearly has no idea he’s doing any of this, and really doesn’t understand why everyone is so upset with him. For people like this, there’s a sense that everything must be black and white, and they don’t understand nuance and shades of grey. It’s very frustrating for those who have to deal with them, but they really don’t get it.

If my theory is correct, I truly hope he gets the help he needs so he can have a chance at having healthy relationships in the future.

Julie Epsteen
Julie Epsteen

I have to agree. There seems to be a personality disorder going on. It’s disturbing on so many levels. Gives me the shivers.

Jill
Jill

Personally, I think Luke was being very careful of his words since he has (hopefully) learned that his words have got him in trouble in the past. Also- I think he is much more aware of how his words have not professed well of his personal faith. Maybe he has learned to guard his words more carefully. Clearly- he felt their relationship was on a much more committed level than she saw it.

As a Christ follower, I was deeply disturbed at both of their behavior. I don’t understand how uttering the F bomb every other word and using the “finger” looks any different from those who do not follow Jesus. I am all about grace and forgiveness but to continue the behaviors on as a lifestyle ? To use grace as an excuse for worldly behavior is addressed in Romans 6.
Before y’all jump on me for “judging” – I tell you that is not my heart. I am more grieved than anything else.
Yes- Hannah- Jesus does still love you. He proved that on the cross. But, he died and rose again so that we could be empowered by his Spirit to become LIKE him. It is not a question of if He loves you- the question is What is your love for Him? You see -it’s a relationship we have as a Christian. It’s not a rule book of do’s and don’ts. It’s a desire to glorify the one who dies to give us everything! (Love – Joy- PEACE- patience- kindness- goodness-FAITHFULNESS- gentleness and SELF CONTROL.)

I get it that this is not really the forum for this discussion. It is just been really weighing heavy on my heart that there is a disconnect with this generation between what they profess and how they act. (For those who call themselves Christ followers.)

Jan S Speer
Jan S Speer

well said

Jennifer
Jennifer

Agree completely!!!

Becky
Becky

Truth

Karen
Karen

Thank you!

Ronni Jones
Ronni Jones

Nailed it! The fruits of the spirit (or lack thereof) are always evident.

Ronni Jones
Ronni Jones

Meant to reply to Jill’s comment…

Hammy
Hammy

Yes. Amen. Grace is not a license to sin.

RA Funderburk
RA Funderburk

Preachin’ the truth ^ right there! Thanks, Jill, for having the courage.

Debbie
Debbie

Well said, Jill.

Allia
Allia

I’m sorry Jill (and sorry all for perhaps mis-using this forum) but what you said sounds exactly like the judgments that have been flying back and forth about who’s more Christian than whom. As you said, it is about the relationship one has with Christ… and we don’t know what sort of relationship either one of them has and we never will because it’s none of anyone’s business. The fact of the matter is that some types of behavior go beyond subjective opinions about how one “should” act as a Christian, and into the territory of actually hurting other people in a serious way.
I get that some people are against Hannah for the words she used, or the finger, or sex, or whatever, but she was doing what she felt was right for her (be it “right” or “wrong” to someone else) without forcing anyone into anything. And then, she was put into a position where she actually had to defend herself from a very aggressive man. It saddens me that she’s being judged for that too.

Kristal C.
Kristal C.

Perfectly said!!

Becky
Becky

I’m sure many watching saw that whenever Luke got angered he balled up his fist. He absolutely looked like he was seconds away from punching people inc Hannah! And the way he flipped other Luke in that football game was violent. I think he’s a physical ticking time bomb.

Shannon
Shannon

What a train wreck! I almost couldn’t watch! Luke said and did a lot of terrible things, but it was too much for me the way everyone let him have it. I was happy when he walked off the stage. I’m not making excuses for him, he was definitely in the wrong but it wasn’t fun to watch that! He does seem like he needs help, he isn’t self aware. I mean come on, if you apologize for your behavior, you would do things differently if you could go back. Not thrilled with Jed’s celebrating either because…liar!

Kathy
Kathy

i think Luke is on STEROIDS….

Teri
Teri

Oops.

Jen

Doesn’t Chris usually ask the Bachelorette/Bachelor if they’ve found love? Did I miss it in all the silence?
They didn’t talk at all about the three guys left.

Thank you Lincee for being the best part of this season!

Christine
Christine

Totally agree, it was so boring watching Luke. So over him. Hope we will have a better program next week. And, yes, everyone connected with the show should not have let him through, such a crock.