Bachelorette Hannah Recap: Fantasy Suites

As the episode wrapped with Bachelorette Hannah flipping off the rejection SUV that carried Luke into the onset of a tropical storm, I took a moment to marvel at the two-hour spectacular which will forever be known in Bachelor Nation as “the windmill episode.” 

Never have I gasped at the television so ardently or wavered in my ability to pick a lane as to which suitor I think will win Hannah’s heart. I screamed and vigorously pointed at a windmill. I hid behind a couch cushion during a couple’s massage. I longed for half a Prozac when a member of My Big Fat Greek Wedding interrogated Hannah’s ability to identify true love.  

And I mourned the harsh reality that Our Host Chris Harrison was nowhere to be found. That, dear friends, was the true travesty of last night’s episode. 

SIMPLE DISCLAIMER

The following information you are about to read is of personal opinion. However, if you or someone you follow on InstaStory happens to personally know, sort of know, is friends with the Starbucks barista who’s obsessed with the new Aladdin movie and looks exactly like one of the contestants on the show…none of this is personal and I’m sure they are all lovely people. 

FIRST FORGO CARD DATE
Peter

Hannah wastes no time executing an uneventful Jump & Straddle® straight into the arms of Peter. For a moment, I was sure there was clear and present evidence of a booty shot, but I was confused by the lack of our beloved black modesty box. It turns out, Hannah’s cute, very short, summery “dress” is actually a cover-up for a red bikini, which helped me puzzle through the greeting unfolding before my eyes.

The two lovebirds jaunt over to a sailboat, head up to the bow so they can recreate a famous part of a twenty-two-year-old movie. The next thing we know, there’s a lovely shot of Hannah’s bikini bottoms, or red panties since we never actually saw her in a bikini, laying on top of Peter. I can report that the viewing audience would have witnessed motor boating had the camera not suddenly switched shots.

The new shot, unfortunately, was a terrible angle. Right up the barrel of the couple, feet first. No one wants to see that, ABC, but I understand if this was the only position you could find to keep things PG-13 rated for network television. Perhaps I should salute you instead of condemn. 

Peter tries to tell Hannah how much she means to him, but his words are sparse because she is literally laying right on top of him. He’s dealing with a lot at this point. His airway is constricted, his heart is bursting from love, his body is suffering a heat stroke because Hannah mounted him before he could change out of his jeans, and his extremities are slowly frying, thanks to lack of sunscreen. But to Peter, it’s all worth it.

That night at dinner, Hannah arrives in pink and Peter looks smitten as a kitten. That kitten over there by the table. Or that one. Or that one over there by the water. Take your pick. 

Peter knows it’s go time and Hannah waits patiently as he takes twenty minutes to process through his feelings. He says “like” every other word and it occurs to me how awkward his in-flight announcements must sound:

“Folks, this is like your Captain speaking. And like though I’ve liked turned off the seat-belt sign, please like note that the like “no smoking” light will like remain on. There is, like, no smoking on this flight. Unless you’re like smokin’ hot. Like me.”

Once Peter drops the L-Bomb, he can’t stop dropping it. Hannah gives him the forgo card and we all shout when we see the two of them wandering up to a windmill. Look at that! He is king of the world after all!

They carbo load on a couple of snacks, laugh at the basket of condoms, and settle in the carved out hole that Mike Fleiss is calling a fantasy suite. 

The next morning, the ABC Intern releases the birds and the bees, for optimal sexual innuendo footage, and the camera pans over Peter and Hannah’s discarded clothes. Hannah hones in on her environment, by comparing Peter to Zeus. She is Aphrodite. Aphrodite is Zeus’ daughter. 

You do you, Hannah. 

Peter tells her all the right things she needs to hear. “This is real. I’m here. I’ll be patient. I don’t want to say good-bye.” Then he tells the camera that he has trouble imagining any of the other guys having the chemistry they have together.

Enter Tyler.

SECOND FORGO CARD DATE

Hannah wastes no time executing an enthusiastic Jump & Straddle® straight into the arms of Tyler. Hannah thinks that she deserves to relax and wants to do that with the model/construction dancer. And she wants to do it topless. They talk about his family, as she lays there, topless. I wonder why Tyler is getting a massage instead of an exfoliation or a skin peel, but I get over it when he secretly hops up from his table without Hannah noticing. What is going on?

The two Grecian women who have been paid to provide a spa day are dismissed when Tyler gets too randy. He starts to massage Hannah himself. This turns into Cinemax After Dark and I don’t know what happened because I was behind a couch cushion shouting through a muffled voice, “ARE THEY DONE YET?”

At dinner, Tyler shows up in the Brotherhood of the Traveling Dusty Rose Jacket and compliments Hannah’s 70’s inspired wardrobe. Before Tyler can say, “There’s my girl,” Hannah verbal vomits all over him with choppy train of thought sentences. She’s talking very fast, because I think she believes she won’t go through with it if she doesn’t get her thoughts out in the open.

What won’t she go through? I’m glad you asked. 

Hannah tells Tyler that she knows they have great physical chemistry. She’s tempted by him, sure, but she needs to draw this big old boundary for both their sakes. Therefore, she doesn’t want to do any kind of forgoing with him in the fantasy suite. Tyler pretends to understand and tells her that he is find spending the night getting to know each other better. He wants her to be open with him.

I’m pretty sure that was not a sexual innuendo. 

They take their time opening up and getting to know one another on a fancy yacht. I can report that boat was rockin’, but I believe that was just the waves. Nothing amorous, I’m sure. 

Hannah is delighted by Tyler’s personality. The next morning, she admits she’s seen another side of him that is extremely attractive. She tells the camera that he is the most respectful man she’s ever been with and then she cries. 

Hannah is over tired. 

THIRD FORGO CARD DATE
Jed

Hannah wastes no time regular jumping straight into the arms of Jed. The lack of straddle was due to her tight, binding skirt. I thought the wardrobe department had been warned about this after her inability to mount Jed when he was sitting on the JV version of the Game of Thrones, throne, but I guess I’m mistaken. 

Jed chooses to wear the ugliest colored shirt in the history of the world for his super important date with Hannah. Think baby diarrhea in clothing form. 

Instead of a boat or a massage, Jed gets the lame date where they have to wander around the city. They happen upon a Big Fat Greek Luncheon and Hannah is overcome with uncomfortableness when one of the aunts asks about their love for one another. Things get weird when Voula offers: “When you know, you just know.”

Things get really, really weird when Voula straight up inquires: “Are you ready to make a decision yet? How will you decide?” 

OPAH!

Poor Jed can’t stand it anymore, so he jumps up from the table. Does he have to go to the bathroom? Is it the ouzo? Has the liquid viagra kicked in?  

He asks Hannah to join him. It’s time to rip the Band-Aid. Jed must speak his truth and be honest. Hannah likes that, right? He needs clarity and he needs it now. He wants to be one-thousand-percent that Hannah is in this, even though I’m sure he meant to say one-hundred-percent. 

Jed brings up Luke which makes Hannah’s facial expression change from worried to YOU’VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. Jed’s angle is that he doesn’t want Hannah to get hurt. He wants her to end up with the best person. Luke is a liar. 

Hannah clears her throat. That’s a subtle hint that she needs her next line, but since this is an unscripted move by Jed, the ABC Intern is prepping the forego suite and isn’t there with his trusty cue cards. 

Hannah jumps into the deep end and tells Jed that she has a strong connection with Luke. One that she can’t describe. She thinks he’s here for her and he’s definitely a good guy. 

Jed isn’t ready to let this one go, bless his heart. So at dinner that night, instead of quizzing Hannah on how her asymmetrical dress (complete with full left boob lace) is able to physically stay on her body, he brings it up again after Hannah thanks him for being honest earlier. 

Hannah asks, “Are we good?”
Jed answers, “I would be lying if I didn’t say that it affects how I feel.”

DING! Round two, ladies and gentlemen. 

Hannah is upset by this remark. Especially when Jed CONTINUES by saying, “How can you look at me and tell me you’re falling in love, but then keep someone who has been so toxic? It makes me feel worried that you have a hard time letting go of things that hurt you.”

Hannah chugs her wine and takes a lap. Jed follows her, holds her, and then pulls her in for a hug. They stand in that embrace for a little while, allowing the camera man to catch his breath from running to capture Rogue Hannah. They are herded back to the table to finish their conversation. 

It’s from a place of love, people. Jed thinks everyone needs to calm down. Hannah gets it. But he needs to let Hannah figure it out on her own. And trust the decision she’s making. Tonight is all about them and the forgo card.

Jed, relieved that his soapbox moment didn’t spoil his opportunity to take a turn in the fantasy suite, is happy when she forgives him. He tells her he loves her and then they head over to the fantasy suite that is a legit suite. This place could be on MTV cribs. There’s a pool inside!

But they don’t care about that. Jannah makes a beeline for the big, ginormous bed. They do not pass go. They do not collect two hundred. 

Hannah does, however, murmur “Come to Mama” when Jed closes the forgo room door and I can’t help but yell at my television. Bless. 

The next morning, the pair stay in bed and talk about how much fun they had. Jed tells the camera they didn’t sleep a wink and that it’s exactly what they needed. Hannah tells him good-bye in her pink nightie and then cries because life is super hard. 

FOURTH FORGO CARD DATE
Luke

Hannah wastes no time executing an impressively high Jump & Straddle® straight into the arms of Luke. He is so happy that Hannah knows he’s the one. #blessagain

They take a helicopter ride out to Santorini. We have no evidence if Peter was the pilot. Hannah is excited that she is back on course with Luke and is checking off an item on her bucket list with someone who loves her. She also reminds the audience that Luke is hands down, the best kisser. 

Luke tells her that when he looks into her eyes, he sees his future wife. Who cares that they are practically sitting in a postcard? He likes giggling with her. And please, pay no attention to his leg wound. It’s fine. Moving on. 

Hannah wear’s her animal-print version of Sandy’s “You’re the One That I Want” outfit and the kind of earrings you would have to say, “Girl, hold my hoops” if you were in a fight. Hannah has been heavy handed with the bronzer and looks like she’s the happiest she’s ever been in her entire life.

Luke: “Let’s talk about sex.”

And here we go. I understand we all have lots of feelings about this portion of the episode, and I would ask that we all approach this with one thing in mind:

This is a reality television show. A dating realty show that has been airing since 2003. A reality show you try out for to be on national television by signing a contract that you will do and say certain things.

If you don’t want to watch the entire ordeal yourself, consider this my best effort at an emotional transcript.

Situation: Luke says that “forever shouldn’t be taken lightly.” He also says, “I want things the way I want it.” And finally, he wants to keep the marriage bed pure, even though they have both admitted to previously having relations in their pasts. 

Sticky Moment: Luke says, “I’m confident we are on the same page. Lots of people say they will do one thing, but then do the opposite.”

Problem: Luke wants to make sure Hannah is not going to be sexually intimate with the other guys. 

Problem: Luke says that if she told him she was having, or had multiple interludes, he would go home. One hundred percent.

Situation: Hannah tells Luke that she doesn’t agree with some of the things Luke said. He is not her husband and he shouldn’t be questioning her or judging her.

Sticky Moment: Hannah tells Luke that pride is a sin. 

Problem: Luke responds by saying, “I’m willing to work through anything you’ve done.”

Sticky Moment: Hannah reminds him that she’s a grown woman and can make her own decisions. 

Situation: Luke says that he is misunderstood. Again. 

Problem: He tells her that he understand that people can “slip up.” 

Situation: Hannah is very mad. But she does confess to the guy sitting across from her that he was the closest she’s ever felt to love at first sight. 

Sticky Moment: Luke has broken her heart. She’s ignored the red flags. She should have known better. 

Note: Was she thinking Jed was right this entire conversation?

Situation: Hannah claims that Luke holds other people to a high standard, but clearly he struggles with all sorts of things in his life. And she was willing to give him grace. 

Note: It starts raining at this point. Kudos to the ABC Intern for both holding a water hose sprayer and turning a wind machine on and off. 

Problem: Luke tells Hannah that if she did “slip up,” that wouldn’t change what he wants with her in the future.

Note: Which is opposite of what he said up above. 

Sticky Moment: Hannah wants to know why he has to know if she had sex in order to move forward with their relationship?

Situation: Hannah brings up the woman caught in adultery from John 8:7 — “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.” 

Note: The other part of that scripture is, “Now go and sin no more.”

Situation: Hannah has been praying for clarity and now she has it. She tells Luke she does not want him to be her husband. 

Sticky Moment: Luke refuses to get up and Hannah has to bark at him to “COME ON.” 

Sticky Moment: 
Luke: “I feel like you owe me a minute to speak.”
Hannah: “I don’t owe you anything.” 

Problem: Luke thinks that what they have is undeniable. And something inside of him is refusing to get into the rejection SUV.

Sticky Moment: Hannah can get him into the rejection SUV. 
Hannah: “I’ve had sex. And Jesus still loves me.”

Problem: She brings up the windmill escapade. 

Problem: Luke asks if he can pray over her. 

Sticky Moment: She flips off the rejection SUV as he drives away, admitting later that a huge weight has been lifted off her shoulders. 

Crazy, right? The fact that Luke comes back next week during the rose ceremony is intriguing to me. For the longest time, I suspected that he was the one who came back with a ring (as we all did) and that she would swing back into his arms after he said something charming and then kissed her.

But it doesn’t appear that is the case. In fact, it looks like Hannah has a trio of Luke Haters putting up a barrier between her and him. She’s crying uncontrollably. And by the looks of their Twitter back-and-forth last night, I believe that Luke is NOT the last one standing anymore. 

So who will it be? It’s clear that she was the most enamored with Luke. Will everyone else pale in comparison? If you had to narrow it down from Peter, Tyler, and Jed, who would you put in the final two? 

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Honey
Honey

ABC soft-porn = yuk, as does the over-worn Titanic Jack/Rose King oft He World crap. Luke es no bueno.

Kelli
Kelli

That was THE best episode in a long time!! Especially the last hour. Poor Jed just couldn’t keep his hole shut about Luke and I really thought she was going to send him home. And THEN we got the Gospel of Luke. As Luke sees it. He is a master manipulator–after she started catching on–he tried to turn it all back on her. You forgot the most important thing Hannahbama said. She said “Oh My God. Now I see it! (meaning what all the guys have been telling her about what a liar Luke is). He was so arrogant sitting there thinking he could talk her out of it again. Instead, he just looked like a jackwagon when he wouldn’t leave.

Update on Kevin–I thought he just didn’t like Jed’s singing, but since Jed didn’t sing last night–Kevin burrowed under a pillow while he was talking. I think Kevin just doesn’t like Jed!

Bless Hannah for growing a pair. I feel bad for her next week when above referenced Jackwagon shows back us, saying “I know Hannah really wants to give me a rose”. Yeah, Luke, that’s what it means when someone extends their middle finger.

GammaGirl1111
GammaGirl1111

This was such a train wreck, and I can’t believe she squandered the opportunity to go to Poundtown with Tyler, but then I cheered like it was a sporting event when she cut Luke — already the 5’8″ villain, heh — down to size. It took a while for Hannah to grow on me, but she accomplished it here. Roll Tide, Hannah. Roll Tide indeed.

LORRAINE
LORRAINE

POUNDTOWN… EWWW THAT SOUNDS SO TRASHY… LOL
FUNNY BUT TRASHY

GammaGirl1111
GammaGirl1111

Heeeeee, I giggled while I typed it!

Crystal
Crystal

I feel like this should be in your wedding vows….”Do you, GammaGirl1111, take this opportunity to go to Poundtown with AlphaBoi?”

GammaGirl1111
GammaGirl1111

“If anyone knows any reason why this man and woman should not go to Poundtown, let them speak now or forever hold their peace.” XD

Steph
Steph

I think they definitely went to poundtown! She just wanted to make sure they talked first. That’s what I’m hoping happened anyways 😉

Ruth

Luke is literally going to come back next week and tell Hannah that she’s forgiven. And not understand why that doesn’t work and that he has no business forgiving or not forgiving. Will love to see him on Chach, I mean Bach in Paradise.

Kay
Kay

Great recap! I love Peter’s in-flight announcement…like, haha!!

This episode was an eye opener for me. Christianity gets such a bad wrap because of the “Christians” that have no idea how to walk out their faith with other people. I feel like SURELY there was more to Luke P. than what we were shown, but because he clearly could fill “the crazy-judgemental Christian” role, that’s what we got. And to be fair, he gave them a lot to work with!
But it just makes me crazy that these “squeaky-wheel” Christians get the spotlight, giving others, and the faith, a bad name.

Normally I can giggle at the absurdity of the show, and I LOVE your recaps, Lincee…but I’m starting to get annoyed with myself for supporting a show that goes out of its way to poke at Christianity. I feel like even if a SANE, non-judgemental, Jesus-loving Christian (and yes, we’re out there) were on the show, he or she would still get the crazy edit.

Ok, rant over. Sorry, I’m not trying to ruffle any feathers. Lincee, if it weren’t for your hilarious recaps, I’d have quit this show long ago!

Evy
Evy

There have been Christians on the show that have been given “good” edits, but usually references to their Christianity is edited out or at least mentioned only as a “faith”. Sean Lowe is one and I’m pretty sure there were a number of Christian girls on his season.

It was a tough episode to watch as a Christian, as it presented the two options as being either very judgmental and manipulative, or as having very liberal views about sexuality. Many Christians I’ve met probably wouldn’t fit either of those categories.

Jill
Jill

I agree! She is just as controlling as anyone. It grieves me that she doesn’t see the platform she has been given and been more careful since she is proclaiming Jesus. I don’t see anything different in her than a non believer. In fact – she seems as narcissistic as anyone.

Beens
Beens

Yes! All of that!!! Completely agree

Libby
Libby

Are you saying you don’t see anything different in her than a nonbeliever because she’s okay with sex before marriage? I don’t understand.

Elena
Elena

But the thing is those Christians like “normal ones” also would not go on the show. Honestly, Luke is just peddling his Christianity for camera effect. Want to be a good, chaste, devout Christian? Then live it -stay off the Bachelor/Bachelorette shows and a meet a nice boy/girl at church. If Luke goes on Bachelor in Paradise then he is a total fraud.

Tori
Tori

Well said & totally agree!

JulieEps
JulieEps

Except Hannah is a Christian. The actual star of the show. ABC has not shied away from casting her as the star… so I wouldn’t say they are poking at a Christian in that respect. It seems to me a lot of the folks on the show are Christians. Sean Lowe. His wife. The southern gal… can’t remember her name… But… what do I know. ABC can’t help that Luke is extreme in his views. I’m sure they made Hannah keep him around until the bitter end though. LOL. Anyway. My two cents.

Allia
Allia

A thought: why is it that only Luke is being labeled “Christian” while Hannah isn’t? She talked numerous times about prayer, quoted the Bible, and was actually attracted to Luke because of his faith. So why is it only Luke who’s Christian? Because she’s dating multiple men (as per show stipulations) and owns her sexuality? Luke has been aggressive, lying, manipulative, disrespectful, and what have you, and somehow he’s still seen as more Christian than her.

LORRAINE
LORRAINE

WAIT..wasn’t Colton a Christian? I mean he wasn’t BANGING a Bible every week, but he wasn’t banging anything. Not all Christians practice abstinence

Donnaloo
Donnaloo

Right on! (I’m touching my nose with one hand and pointing at you with the other…)

Jeet
Jeet

I think Ben Higgins is a non-judgmental Christian. He got a fair shake.

Maribeth
Maribeth

They poke at EVeRYTHING! It’s all about the DRAMA. I think it borders on abuse. Honestly in what world would you EVER date 25 guys at once and expect them to all get along?
And yet I watch these train wreaks…Why?
Katherine and Sean Lowe. That’s why.

Liana
Liana

First and foremost, I have to say how hysterical the Peter flight announcement was. You nailed it!
I spent part of the first hour of the show covering my eyes and peeking to see if the soft porn moments were over. I am not a prude but this season has seemed to cross the line with all the on-camera PDA.
The Hannah-Luke break up was well worth waiting for. The look of disbelief in his face when she told him off was worth every minute of it. So much so that I rewound and watched it again. He is so condescending, arrogant, and such a jackass. The funny part was when he realized she was letting him go and he tried to backpedal using the “misunderstood” routine. Love it when she almost had to push him into the limo. Can’t wait until next week when he shows up again.
Great recap as always and waiting for the podcast!

Kristin
Kristin

Unfortunately, Uber-evangelical Christianity (grew up in it so can speak to it) teaches men that they are to be in the “leader of the family” role sometimes (not all the time!) giving them an over-blown sense of entitlement to tell the women in their lives what to do. You combine that with Luke’s tendency toward gaslighting and “crazy-making” and you get a controlling personality which we saw come out.

I think the 2 in the end will be Peter and Tyler. I think Jed’s jealousy was a turn off to her, but who knows? She did sleep with him! What I can’t figure out is: did she not sleep with Tyler because she knew he wasn’t the one or really because she wanted to know him on an emotional level? But he seems to have it all for her IF they truly connected on that emotional level.

Sunny
Sunny

Actually, the “leadership” the Bible refers to for the man is strictly spiritual leadership. He is to lead his family spiritually. Just wanted to make that distinction.

Alexa
Alexa

I hope I’m not alone but I was completely in Luke’s camp this week. He said EXACTLY what a future husband would say to his wife! He was dead on and she was embarrassed by it – period. Team Luke!

LORRAINE
LORRAINE

YES.. YOU ARE VERY ALONE.. LUKE IS A WHACKADOO

Didi
Didi

I’m not team Luke or team anyone but I get what he was trying to say. I just think he said it wrong.

Tori
Tori

You are not alone!

Missy Hall
Missy Hall

Good lord, no…he said he would leave, but then said he would stay and forgive HER for “slipping up”…like it is HIS place to give her grace????? NO, f*&^ that guy, she wasn’t embarrassed, she was PISSED, as she should have been.

GammaGirl1111
GammaGirl1111

Note: I’m not particularly religious. I’m also very sex-positive and am all about sowing whatever oats you want to sow, however you want to sow them, as long as everyone involved is a consenting adult. In my opinion, Hannah has no reason to be embarrassed, and I don’t think sex between consenting adults is a dirty or sad or shameful thing, so know that I have that lens going.

That said, here’s the thing for me: Indeed, a future husband — AND A FUTURE WIFE — can ask their partner to draw these boundaries. You’re 100% right. Two people choosing to be in an exclusive, monogamous relationship with each other absolutely should be having this conversation and coming to the mutual agreement that others are no longer in the picture. That’s what an exclusive, monogamous relationship is.

But that’s not this. If Luke was so determined that his future wife be defined by her relationships with others — or lack of them — and was willing to lay down an ultimatum to make it happen … WHY is he on The Bachelorette?! He chose this! **By definition** this show is all about non-monogamous dating! Anyone who thinks it makes perfect sense to come on this particular show and then judge and shame and threaten to leave if the lead takes full advantage of the Fantasy Suite with another contestant is, in my opinion, not playing with a full deck.

Sure, leave the show if you get there and realize the situation isn’t right for you. Leave the show if you don’t have feelings for the lead. Leave the show if you need to go home. Leave the show for your own reasons if you need to. But Luke was saying it’d be her fault if he left, because it meant that she did something she is more than allowed to do, and which she is encouraged to do by the format of the show that he chose to join, and **which he has done himself** … and it would make her now of unacceptable quality to be his wife.

What?!

Dude. I’m not cool with the slut-shaming in any case, but I’m really not cool with it from a non-virgin who chose to be on this particular show. What did you think was going to happen, dude?

JulieEps
JulieEps

GammaGirl1111. Yaaaaassss!!! 100 percent.

TeaganT
TeaganT

GammaGirl, thank you for your thoughtful and insightful comment, I couldn’t agree more . It genuinely boggles my mind that people are still defending Luke’s despicable behavior! He knew exactly what he was signing up for . He knew that the fantasy suite dates were a huge part of this show . The way he constantly tries to twist things and make Hannah feel guilty is disgusting to me . I have 2 sons and if either of them ever treated a woman the way Luke treated Hannah I would be completely mortified! The ONLY thing Hannah did wrong throughout this entire process was not getting rid of Luke many weeks ago . I’ve been watching this show for years and I’ve never seen any contestant who lacks basic self-awareness as much Luke does . He seems to have no idea of how poorly he comes across. He is smug , arrogant and is frighteningly good at gaslighting. I would like to say that hopefully he will see himself on tv and be ashamed of how he acted and try to change his ways but I doubt it . He genuinely believes that he didn’t do a thing wrong and guys like that are scary .

Molly
Molly

I agree Alexa! Poor little Hannah should be embarrassed by her uncontrolled humping of all the men! Last night (well the whole season lol) was pretty unbearable to watch!
I feel like Luke has been giving the villain edit this season and we are suppose to hate him no matter what. However, I think he had a valid point. How would Hannah feel if he had hit the town in Amsterdam and screwed every girl he saw?? As his potential future wife, would she be OK with that??
I also cringe at the way Christian or conservative ideals have been mocked and how treating sex as something special is now deemed old fashion and out of style. I guess the network execs win this round, we are all talking about this cesspool of a show lol.

ToEachHerBeach
ToEachHerBeach

Alexa and Molly,
Are you just skipping over all of Luke’s bad behavior in the mansion with the other guys? Is it Christian to get up in someone’s face and SCREAM at them? Or throw food at them?
It was so wrong when Kevin did it to ABC Cam and it’s ALSO wrong when Luke did it.
There’s more to his bad acts than the sex-shaming.
Sheesh.
Just because he may be the same faith as you doesn’t automatically make him a good person.

Jackie
Jackie

Oooof sorry gotta step in here. MOLLY This is next level out of line. I don’t think anyone gets to claim how Hannah SHOULD feel. Hannah may have made choices that you yourself wouldn’t, but that’s really up to her, not you. She’s the one on the show, not you. It’s her body, not yours. Luke absolutely does not have to date her if he doesn’t agree with her actions, just like we don’t have to watch if we don’t agree with her actions, but if Luke wants to continue dating her (which he seems to by his refusal to leave) within the agreed upon context of the show he has to allow her to make her own choices with her own body. No one is upset that Luke is uncomfortable with her sleeping with other people, who wouldn’t be? The problem was that he said one thing: “I’m leaving if you’ve had sex with someone else,” and when that didn’t get the reaction he was expecting he backpedaled and changed tactics, offering Hannah his forgiveness for her “slip-up” which 1. He is not her judge or her jury, his forgiveness in this scenario was condescending, and 2. it was not a slip-up; it was a choice she made regardless of whether you, he, I or anyone agrees with it. The fact that he back pedaled proved that he never meant what he said, he was just saying it to purposefully try to make her feel inferior and grab power in the relationship. His words and manipulations last night were CLEAR efforts to control her and set the tone for the relationship, one with which she was clearly not comfortable and hence sent him home. Luke did not treat sex as something special, he used it, as well as her relationship with God, as a weapon to try to make her feel less than, inferior, embarrassed, and chastised. A good, loving partner would have structured that conversation like this: “Hannah, I’m really struggling this week. I’m so excited to get to spend more time with you, but its also weighing on me because I know that you’re having physical relationships with other people and given that I think of you as my future wife that’s a really hard pill to swallow. I’m going to try to move past it though because I know what really matters, if it’s you and me in the end, is what happens between us. And between us, its really important to me to keep our marriage bed pure, because as much as I love and care about you and want to be with you, its something I want to save until after we’re married.” Luke got the villain edit because he IS a villain and I truly believe potentially emotionally and physically dangerous to women. I just want to throw this out there… I am a HARD core conservative so lets not blame this on anything other than the fact that you are passing judgement and the JUDGEMENT is what people have a problem with, not Luke’s or your beliefs. Believe whatever you want, don’t make your love conditional on people agreeing with every one of your beliefs.

Marjorie
Marjorie

Jackie – perfectly said.

Myra Pitts
Myra Pitts

Jackie for President!!

Cristi
Cristi

Jackie – Very thought provoking and in my opinion spot on.

Rhonda
Rhonda

“Poor little Hannah should be embarrassed by her uncontrolled humping of the all the men”? Wow. Remind me which church you attend Molly so I can be sure to skip and go somewhere that actually teaches love and acceptance of all. Yikes.

Katie
Katie

To Molly–the difference is that Hannah didn’t “screw every [guy] [she] saw”–she had sex with two men who she may be ENGAGED TO MARRY next week! Totally agree with GammaGirl that while this wouldn’t be cool in the context of a monagamous relationship, we are in crazy-land here on the Bachelorette and she is seriously contemplating marriage to FOUR DIFFERENT GUYS at the same time. For her to have sex with these men is far, far different from someone just wanting to “screw” everything in sight–it’s about judging long-term compatibility with the man she may be engaged to in a week’s time!

I also wanted to add that if this was a big deal to Luke he should have brought it up long ago. For example, we (and all the contestants) knew that Colton was a virgin and that sex was something really special to him–so over the course of the season there were many conversations about that with the contestants without veering into the land of judgment. Here, there was no such conversation between Luke and Hannah over the 9 weeks leading up to Fantasy Suites. There was ample opportunity to discuss their feelings about sex in a non-controlling way that was more about sharing values than controlling, but he neglected those opportunities.

Finally, I disagree with all above who say this show has it out for the “Christians”–have you ever seen an openly Jewish or Muslim person on this show? By contrast, almost every hometown date features families praying and displaying huge crosses in their homes. Christianity is the default on this show, and many of its contestants and leads have been visibily Christian and haven’t been portrayed negatively at all. I know Luke may be getting some sort of a villain edit, but I find it very hard to believe that the producers are good enough to concoct his vile personality from thin air.

Molly
Molly

Thanks for the detailed essay, I didnt read it sorry. I will let you cast your stones if that makes you feel better! Bless you!

Grace
Grace

I can’t take anything you say seriously Molly, you’ve gotta be a troll. .

Libby
Libby

That’s very immature of you, Molly. Also, sex that happens before marriage can still be very, very special and I’m sorry that you have been raised to believe that a natural and enjoyable human activity is a dirty terrible thing. Why don’t you leave the judging of Hannah’s and anyone else’s sexual choices to God. You are not His police officer.

Ross
Ross

J.D. who married Ashley H.

Allia
Allia

Molly and Alexa,
I really have to disagree with most of what you said. First of all, I don’t think any of this was actually about religion or sex for Luke. If he was truly devoted to saving it for marriage and making sure his future wife was on the same page, this conversation would have come up way before fantasy suites and would have certainly not gone down the way it did. If he was prepared (100%) to walk out, he would have walked out. But no. He kept arguing, backtracking, twisting words, and claiming that he was “misunderstood”… and then she couldn’t even get him in the limo. Really?
There is nothing wrong with having conservative beliefs, or having feelings about what’s happening, but that’s not what this was. He was trying to manipulate and control her and using faith to do it.
Not everyone is going to like Hannah’s style either… but this is her life and she can live it how she wants. The morality police has no place in that.

Becky
Becky

Couldn’t agree more. For him it’s all about control. He met his match with her. She won’t be controlled. Unfortunately, I think she will do all the controlling in a relationship the way she barks commands at the men, points, snaps her fingers like they were toddlers. But that’s just who she seems to be. I have enjoyed her as the bachelorette more than I thought I would though.

Grace
Grace

Come on now Molly , Luke did such a great job of making himself look bad that the producers didn’t have to do much at all ! He’s a goldmine of cringe . And Luke being Christian is not the issue that people have with him . The problem is that he’s a truly awful person . Facts!

Tara Lawrence-Stuart
Tara Lawrence-Stuart

Good golly Miss Molly I never saw any scripture that contains the verb “humping.”

MHP
MHP

Agreed with another poster, his feelings are completely normal and valid, it’s just how he said it that was not ok.

Greenbeansforever
Greenbeansforever

Ditto.

Libby
Libby

It is baffling that you think it’s okay for a man to use sex and religion as a weapon to manipulate and control a woman.

Donnaloo
Donnaloo

Libby I wish that I could say that it was baffling. I feel like it’s a battle women have been fighting for thousands of years…

Libby
Libby

Well you’re not wrong there. I guess I was just trying to help some posters above understand their internalized misogyny. Right now we’re all advocating for the rights of a woman to other women who have grown up to fully believe that their worth is measured by their sex lives (or lack there of) and are judging other women using that same arbitrary metric.

Sunny
Sunny

Amen, Alexa! I was there also. Who wants to marry someone who has had sex with multiple people in the same week. Ugh. That’s not a “slip-up” – that’s a “tryout” for the guys. I’m still in Luke’s corner and pray he finds the right woman one day, which Hannah was NOT!

LORRAINE
LORRAINE

Lively Recap as Always!!! Enjoyed the linesCarved Out a Hole Called the Fantasy Suite and Jed’s Soapbox Moment and Turning a Wind Machine Off and On… that made the moment so much more dramatic. Kudos indeed.

Luke is full of POO… He needs to go far away, and I am not a fan of the previews with his delusional self returning. His tweet is also full of POO… Faithoverfame… excuse me but didn’t he allow Hannah to rip off his shirt and straddle him at least a dozen times… And then try to throw her sexual prowess in her face. BOY BYE….

MelissaH
MelissaH

“Hannah hones in on her environment, by comparing Peter to Zeus. She is Aphrodite. Aphrodite is Zeus’ daughter. You do you, Hannah.” I DIED. You are so funny, Lincee!

Jude

That was my favorite line too, Melissa! I laughed so hard tears were streaming down my face!! Lincee is PRICELESS!!!

Ash
Ash

For the first 6 or 7 episodes, I was full-on against Luke. Then something shifted, and I started to wonder if he was really as bad as he seemed. Maybe I’ve just forgotten why he got vilified, but I spent the last couple of episodes being more ambivalent toward him than anything else. I agree with some of the other commenters-he professed Christ (loudly), handled things poorly, and got lambasted for it. I actually think he was handling the conversation okay until he put it in the context of fantasy suites and implied hypocrisy. He seemed sincere, but he was sorely mistaken thinking that Hannah was going to be receptive. Honestly, I think he had it in his head from day one that she was the perfect woman, but he never stopped to look at her behavior to see if she actually measured up to what he wanted. They were never going to be a good match. They might have faith in common, but they have different ideas about how to live out their faith.

Ash
Ash

Also, I find it interesting that she said, “Sex might be a sin out of marriage, but pride is a sin too.” Basically, she called what she did with the other guys a sin but felt like pointing the finger back at Luke. SMH

LORRAINE
LORRAINE

YES Luke has been a whackadoo all season! He tried to hurt Big Luke, he threw sandwich meat at Garrett, and he constantly lied about it all. Just because he found Jesus in the shower doesn’t mean he is a SAINT.. he too has sinned and the world has watched ALL season LONG…

Ash
Ash

Honestly…when I watched the previews for Men Tell All and saw the old scenes throughout the season…I started to remember why he was vilified. Haha! How quickly I forget! Also, his shower story is completely wacky to me.

Contrarian
Contrarian

Just curious about the multiple posts with the same comment. You know there’s a delete button, right?

ScoobySnaxx
ScoobySnaxx

Question: Would you agree to marry a man who you know slept with two other girls the week that he proposed to you?

This is not a judgment call on anyone. This is me truly trying to figure out how many people are bothered by their partner having multiple other partners simultaneously. Some people are fine with it and some aren’t.

Hanz
Hanz

No, so I wouldn’t join the bachelor that has been established with this schedule of dates/events for 17 years. Luke knew what he (literally) signed up for.

Bets
Bets

I agree with you, Hanz. But I’ve also wondered how people who get engaged on this show REALLY feel. It must be weird to start off an engagement knowing that your person was naked and doing the deed with one/two/three others same week as you.

Didi
Didi

I remember Emily Maynard saying ,”I wish he would have saved something just for me” at the atfr and I figured that’s what she was talking about.

Barbara
Barbara

I agree with all of you. While I don’t agree with how Luke delivers his message, I do understand it. Supposedly the bachelorett is in love with someone enough to want to marry him. I would like to think you know who you want to be your husband before the fantasy suite dates. So how can you want to have sexual relations with anyone else? It’s not like buying shoes, try them all on until you find the pair you want. It must get very uncomfortable when the chosen bachelor watches these fantasy suite dates after the fact. People will say she has a right to do what she wants, and she does.

Jen
Jen

I think at this point, many past bachelorettes/ bachelors have known who their number one pick would be and I bet had sex with that person or no one at all. But Hannah really doesn’t seem to know at this point.

GammaGirl1111
GammaGirl1111

What Hanz said. No, I would not be thrilled with my significant other banging other people days before they propose to me, but because of that, I would not be a participant on this show. That option exists. You know what you are getting by now when you agree to be on this show. If that is a dealbreaker for you, perhaps you should go on a different show.

It also is interesting to me when couples that last decide not to watch the show back with their chosen person. The two of you can agree not to discuss Fantasy Suites and / or to start fresh with your relationship once the show ends. After all, whatever happened on the show, the two of you chose each other. You’re allowed to have had a life before you meet the person you eventually marry, and the fact that some of it happened on television doesn’t make it any grosser or weirder than anybody else‘s.

LORRAINE
LORRAINE

Come on Scooby… we all know the premise of the show. If we were exclusive, then it would be an issue, however if I was a contestant on a show with other people I would not have such expectations…

Jill K
Jill K

Next week Luke comes back and says” Hannah thought there’s no way I would want to be with her anymore after the last thing she told me…and she is sadly mistaken” It’s easy to see why she would be mistaken after you said ” I will leave right now if you have had sex with any of these guys- 100%” Dude she only told you that detail so you would get in the limo and go. She had already said you are not her husband…go away…it had nothing to do with YOU not wanting to be with her, It had to do with the way YOU were speaking to her. Was he even listening to her??? Hilarious to see how he couldn’t back pedal on his comments like he always does bc she was calling him OUT! He is so smug and self righteous. It’s bizarre how delusional he is. I hope he can learn something about himself by watching the show. ***SIGH***

Ronni Jones
Ronni Jones

Hannah and Luke both had valid points. It’s hard to agree with a guy like Luke, but he wasn’t wrong in what he was saying. His delivery on the other hand, was terrible and Hannah was right to be upset with him based on the way he was coming across.

Jill K
Jill K

Well said.

Mary Lola
Mary Lola

Dear Luke…Let GOD do the convicting. You’re job is to go out to the highway and hedges and compel them to come in….with love.
Side note 1: People will want nothing to do with your (and my) Jesus if it makes you behave like Luke.
Side note 2: You danced around in your speedo for all of heaven and earth to see. I know plenty of “conservatives” that would have found that inappropriate.
Side note 3: Stop the back peddling. Stand by your convictions or don’t. A double minded man is unstable….